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Golden Nugz for 12-22-08

If things go as we'd all like, the win against Louisville was the beginning of Minnesota's presence on the national stage. For the first time in years, the Gophers emerged from their proverbial hole, looked around the national stCaddyshack_gopher_mediumage and felt comfortable enough to keep their head above ground. Or something.

The program had to win on the court to get consistent national attention. We now have that win.

By beating a top 10 team for the first time since 2000, and with back-to-back top 20 national recruiting classes, Tubby Smith's Gophers are set up for big thing and lots of attention. Minnesota's upset of Louisville earned the Gophers the top spot in ESPN's college basketball Weekly Watch section penned by Andy Katz.

A player you might not have heard of, Al Nolen, scored 13 points from the free-throw line. The Gophers got Samardo Samuels to foul out, wouldn't let Earl Clark dominate them and defended the 3-point shot well enough that Louisville was 4 of 17. Foul trouble limited the Gophers' top scorer, Lawrence Westbrook, to only two points; yet the Gophers proved they have balance. Two reserves, Travis Busch and Blake Hoffarber, scored in double figures.

Smith is one of the best coaches in the country. He has a legit shot, like Michigan's John Beilein, to take his team to the NCAA tournament in his second season at the school. The Gophers should go into the Big Ten opener against Michigan State on Dec. 31 undefeated after playing Southeastern Louisiana and High Point. The Gophers open at home with MSU and Ohio State, two preseason top-four teams. Minnesota could end up being one of the last undefeated teams if the Gophers can protect what is always one of the tougher home courts in the conference.

Our Gophers are emerging from a long hibernation, and the college basketball world will soon begin to learn the names of Al Nolen, Damian Johnson, Colton Iverson, Ralph Sampson III and someday soon, Royce White, Rodney Williams and Trevor Mbakwe.

  • In its notes section on the Louisville game, From the Barn praises the play of Devoe Joseph. I agree with most of this, though Louisville being the best defensive team in the country is debateable.
    His statistics won’t jump out, and his play didn’t either necessarily, but in this case that is a good thing. The freshman played 15 minutes, and had three points and four assists. The [Louisville] defense will eat many freshman alive this season. For Joseph, who is really more of a shooting guard, to fill in, fly completely under the radar, and have a solid game against the best defensive team in the country is very impressive.
  • I enjoyed the headline in the Louisville Courier-Journal's game story. "Cards fall to 10-win Tubby." If you don't get it, UK fans who wanted Tubby out of Lexington used to deride him as "10-loss Tubby."
  • As Inside the Hall notes, it was a productive Saturday for Big Ten basketball. Along with the Minnesota win, Purdue destroyed Stephen Curry and Davidson and Michigan State, with Goran Suton back, grabbed a big win on a neutral site against Texas in Houston. Add those wins with Ohio State's wins over Notre Dame and Miami and Michigan's wins over UCLA and Duke and the Big Ten is shaping up to be one tough conference this season.
  • On football for a second, how good of a story is Sam Maresh. Sid Hartman writes that Tim Brewster believes Maresh will be ready for spring practice about one year after having heart surgery.
  • A BigTenNetwork.com editor basically looks at the needs of the 11 B10 basketball teams.Goran Suton would be an ideal present for the Gophers, according to the writer.
  • As I noted in the game thread, I was shocked with a few minutes remaining that Tubby switched from his man-to-man defense to a 1-3-1 zone. Louisville promptly rotated the ball and Jerry Smith hit a three. A Louisville beat writer also noticed and was surprised. Anyone care to make an argument as to why switching to a zone at that point was a good call? I know Louisville was struggling from the outside, but we seemed to be keeping them off balance with our man pressure.

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Big 10 Coaches = The Best (Overall)

Izzo at Mich St, Matta at Ohio St, Beilein at Mich, Crean at IU, Ryan at Wisky, Tubby – all excellent coaches.

Painter at Purdue, Weber at Illinois – two of the best “young” coaches in the game. “Young” in terms of head coaching experience, that is.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 22, 2008 7:59 AM CST reply actions  

Switch to the zone

I don’t know the exact time you’re talking about as I didn’t get the chance to watch the game (stupid east coast and lack of FSN), but I suspect it could have something to do with DJ fouling out. He’s really one of the bigger pieces of the press, which could have been Tubby’s reasoning. Again, that’s more of a random guess than anything.

I’m looking forward to the new rankings today. After my freshman year here (Monson/Molinari), I never thought I’d see the Gophers be ranked in my four years at the U. Yet there’s a real chance of that happening today, which is awesome. I can’t wait for the Big Ten opener on New Years eve..

by Felix on Dec 22, 2008 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

I think it was before DJ fouled out. ...

… Because if memory serves DJ was either playing at the top or the bottom of the 1-3-1. I actually like the 1-3-1 (Beilein runs it well) and I think our personnel would be good for it. But I was just shocked to see it all of a sudden.

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by PJS on Dec 22, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Understandable

I’m always shocked when Al, DJ and Westbrook are in and the press isn’t on. They are so good at trapping, it really makes a huge impact on the game and takes the opposing team out of their routine. Just look at the start of the second half against Cornell. It all started with defense, and once that happened everything got rolling.

by Felix on Dec 22, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Rankings and Defense

First, I don’t think the Gophers should be ranked—at least in terms of how the polls work. They only had two votes in one poll and would have to jump (among several other teams) over: Michigan, Missouri, Butler, Wisconsin, Kansas, Illinois, Maryland, and Florida. I understand that actual metrics (as opposed to very unscientific polls) such as RPI could rank the Gophers in the top 25, and that is really all we should care about. I would prefer not being ranked heading into the MSU game next week. I like to keep them hungry going into Big 11 play.

That being said, Davidson and Memphis will surely be dropping out this week. Hello Michigan and Missouri. It is possible the Gophers crack the top 25, but I’m actually rooting against it.

As far as switching up the defense, I didn’t have a problem with that. I think that was a strategic move to confuse Louisville and give them a different look. Why not? We got burned on it once and fixed it. Credit Louisville, but credit Tubby for trying to confuse them (it just didn’t work). I also think the commenter above has a point about DJ fouling out. Also—I’m not sure who was on the floor at that point either. I remember Nolen was gassed at one point. So maybe it was just a brief respite for him to catch his breath. I think we took a timeout shortly after that.

by rencito on Dec 22, 2008 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

Hungry?

You think a team going up against a higher ranked team in the same conference isn’t going to be hungry? Do you really think Tubby would let the team relax going into that Michigan State game? They’re likely going to be a top 10 team and the game is on our home court. I think that’s enough to keep the team hungry.

by Felix on Dec 22, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair Point

But my main point is that the ranking is rather inconsequential. If we are ranked and lose to MSU, we won’t be anymore. If we are ranked and beat MSU, we will surely be ranked. At the end of the season, rankings don’t matter because they are extremely unscientific. RPI is a much better indicator (looks like we are #29 right now).

by rencito on Dec 22, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Rankings are rather irrelevant, but it’s still a huge sign in terms of progress for the team, as well as a huge confidence boost. Whether it’s necessary or not is another question, but personally, I’d love to see this team be ranked as I feel they deserved it with the neutral court win against a top 10 team. I realize it doesn’t necessarily mean anything, but it’d still be really cool given the state of this program two years ago.

Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Eat babies! Badger babies!

by Felix on Dec 22, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Furthermore

In my original message, I’m just trying to temper expectations. I mean, if you are a pollster and you know the Gophers have played relative nobodies (I do think Cornell and NDSU are going to be in the tournament though) and they get one win that people recognize, does that catapult them above teams you had ranked higher? I don’t think so.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we are not ranked. A perfect record, a Big 10 team, and Tubby Smith probably all go a long way in branding and could garner a ranking. But if we are just left out, we shouldn’t be all that surprised either.

by rencito on Dec 22, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Tempering expectations

I’m all about this most of the time. But ranking or not, I want to enjoy this win against Louisville. You should too rencito!!!

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by PJS on Dec 22, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Trust me, I am!!!!

But, I’m not going to have it ruined just because we aren’t ranked. I feel like everyone feels its automatic or deserved. The last thing I want is a sense of entitlement from the fans or players. I’m not saying that is the case (yet) but we are all the same people that thought the football team could finish no worse than 9-3 (I predicted 8-4 with my statistical model when they were 7-1, can’t find the link right now).

If you will recall, I called my shot earlier in the season when I said that the Rodents would finish in the top 3 of the conference and get an NCAA bid (knock on wood, knock on wood). I still have high hopes, I just don’t know if a ranking is quite deserved yet.

by rencito on Dec 22, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

The ranking is irrelevant. I totally agree.

I do think the ranking is probably deserved, but Michigan has probably done more. They should be ranked. Again, I would like to have Minnesota v. MSU on Dec. 31 be a battled of two ranked teams!

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by PJS on Dec 22, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

That will definitely help...

…local (not to mention national) attention. I have no idea what the ratings were for the Louisville game. It was on a Saturday afternoon during the busy holiday shopping season. I feel like more people around town had the Vikings on their radar this weekend. I hope there were still a lot of eyeballs on the Gophers game.

I’m hoping the MSU game is on ESPN. I’m guessing more people will watch the basketball than the football game given the New Year’s Eve time slot and availability of NFL Network. I don’t even know anyone who has the NFL Network. Why the hell is it on there anyways?

by rencito on Dec 22, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Zone

If DJ hadn’t fouled out yet, you just answered your own question. Its easier to hide a guy in foul trouble in a zone.

by From The Barn on Dec 22, 2008 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

There are a bunch of justifications for it ....

…. but we were holding Louisville to less than 40 percent from the floor playing man defense. Just seems surprising that we’d give them a break with a few minutes left in the game. They capitalized.

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by PJS on Dec 22, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Gopher

BTW…I LOVE that picture of the gopher from Caddyshack. They were playing that movie on the Golf Channel all weekend long. I love seeing the Gopher dance at the end!

by rencito on Dec 22, 2008 2:30 PM CST reply actions  

And it is official...

Gophers ranked #23 in both polls.

Ranked ahead of Michigan in one poll and Michigan not even ranked in the other.

by rencito on Dec 22, 2008 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

Pitno's Words

OK, very big game and I—as I said to my cohorts at the bar—did not expect the Gophers to win, but I would not be surprised if they did; nice hedge huh? Nolen’s outside shot is ugly, but he was great getting to the line. DJ and Nolen’s defense is frightening; I almost feel bad for the other team. It was REAL good to see Hoffarber back, he didn’t look slowed by the recent injury.

So whats the deal? Are the Gophers this good and deep or is L’ville much worse than thier previous ranking? I mean Pitino was scolding the hell out of them: “I haven’t liked this team since the first day of practice in terms of execution,”

Clem's Nuts

by Clem's Nuts on Dec 22, 2008 3:46 PM CST reply actions  

Louisville does have a lot of talent.

Samuels is a freshman and will be prone to ups and downs. Clark is the real deal. Louisville lacked a point guard presence. Even last year with David Padgett they struggled a bit at the beginning of the year. I expect Pitino to savage them mercilessly as he did after our win and get them on track.

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by PJS on Dec 22, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

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