Golden Nugz for 12-23-08
Lost in all the talk about where the Gophers were ranked in the new basketball polls is any conversation about the Big Ten's conference RPI, perhaps a more important longterm measuring stick. Individual team rankings will fluctuate throughout the season, but the conference's collective RPI is poised to be at or near the top of the country at season's end
You'll still probably see national pundits talk about a down Big Ten. Usually it takes the national writers 6 months or a year to catch up with what is actually happening on the ground. But when the NCAA selection committee convenes in March, the numbers won't lie. What the numbers will indicate is the Big Ten has proved its worth during non-conference games.
As Big Ten season is upon is approaching, five teams are ranked nationally. In no particular order they are Purdue, Michigan State, Ohio State, Minnesota and Michigan. A sixth team, Wisconsin, faces Texas in Badgerland tonight and will be pesky as usual. That's six teams that have real shots at an NCAA Tournament. And let's also not forget about Illinois or even Northwestern, both teams that have looked to be improved.
Just how good has the conference been? From the BTN:
Currently standing at 93-21 (.816 overall), the Big Ten is off to its best nonconference start since the 1988-89 season when it went 98-21 (.824) against non-conference foes during the regular season. Prior to that season, the closest the Big Ten came to earning a similar mark was in 1917-18 when it amassed a 47-11 slate for a .810 winning percentage in non-conference contests. Since the 1905-06 season, there have only been eight times in which the Big Ten has finished .800 or above against non-conference teams during the regular season.
How has this happened? The ACC-Big Ten Challenge was close. ACC won 7-6. Minnesota beat Louisville. Michigan upset Duke and UCLA. Michigan State just went into Houston and beat Texas. Ohio State has beat highly ranked Notre Dame and a top-25 Miami team on the road. Purdue just ravaged Davidson.
All of this sets up a very interesting Big Ten race. And perhaps a return to form of the Big Ten conference?
- John Gasaway of Basketball Prospectus took note of the Big Ten's big weekend in a piece here. The article discusses Michigan State and The Winehouse Factor (yes, named after the pop diva), Purdue's defeat of Davidson and Minnesota's trouble on the defensive glass.
- The Minnesota PR folks have a first look at tonight's game against the Southeastern Louisiana Lions. The last and only time the two teams played was in 2006 when the Gophers won 63-61 at the buzzer when Spencer Tollackson tipped in a shot at the buzzer. Let's hope it's not that close tonight.
- 10,000 Takes gives their take on a tidbit that was reported by the local press that U President Robert Bruininks phoned AD Joel Maturi during Minnesota's win over Louisville.
- Jim O'Connell, who I thought has always done a very good job covering college hoops for the AP, leads his story on the new basketball rankings with Tubby Smith and the Gophers. He has a good quote from Smith:
"It's a good way to start the holiday season," Smith said Monday. "I'm sure the kids are excited about it, you can tell in their disposition. We've got a great group of kids and this will help the school, help recruiting. At Kentucky, we were ranked year in and year out so this is a different dynamic for this program and how we handle it will be critical."
- NCAA Hoops Today picked up on the Pitino/Tubby tilt over the weekend. This line stuck out:
As expected, Tubby had the better team, and Pitino had the better raw talent. And as it is often the case in single-games in college hoops, the best team won!
The blogger goes on to write that Minnesota is the perfect place for Tubby, because he'll be able to go after very good players that aren't one-and-done types. This might be its own post over the holidays. But I ask you. Would you prefer Tubby go after the diaper dandies, or a group of players that will play together for 3 or 4 years.
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Tubby Likes Both
He signed Rajon Rondo and Randolph Morris at UK – both left early for NBA.
Royce White and Rodney Williams have that potential at Minnesota.
Harrison Barnes is on his radar screen for 2010 class. He is another like them.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 23, 2008 6:51 AM CST reply actions
Tulsa And Georgia
He signed Jumaine Jones at Georgia. (Tubby didn’t coach him but) he left early for NBA.
Players like Tay Prince, Keith Bogans, and the late Marvin Stone were Top 5-10 rated and early entry possibilities, too.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 23, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Would prefer 3-4 year types
I think it is hard to build a program with players who consistently leave after one season. I guess if we have one guy do it every decade, and another one or two leave after two seasons every decade a good program can withstand it. But you need those players who anchor each “generation” of recruits – the guys who are there 3, 4 or even 5 seasons (with a redshirt) who can teach the young players how team basketball is really played, and develop leadership.
I lost a lot of respect for Humphries, Rickert and Przybilla after they left earlier than they should have. They all needed additional time in college, but went for the quick bucks. I can’t blame them for wanting to make money but I would argue for all except maybe Przybilla they took short term gains but would have made more money in the long run with more time in college.
Talent
If you get enough talent, and the right kind of talent (can’t have a team full of super stars—that just doesn’t work) you will have depth that can withstand early departures because there are guys on the bench more than capable of stepping in.
With Tubby we are on track for program success. That is, players will have reasons to stay rather than go for the quick buck. They will benefit from further development and the program will benefit from having them longer. Unfortunately, not all decisions are so pragmatic.
I guess what I’m saying is that the best of both worlds is what is needed. A good balance of a few superstars with other solid guys and role players that probably don’t have a springboard into a first round pick at the next level; that will give you a semblence of consistency to put around a stream of blue chippers that are only around for two years.
3-4 years
While the occasional diaper dandy is fine, I think that talented but not to talented people are how you build a contender. Team continuity and chemistry are paramount for winning teams and especially helps in tournament time. Depth is also incredibly important. I think that one of Minnesota’s greatest strengths right now is the scoring ability of its bench, which is going to be crucial in big games this year. I think next year we will have a great balance of young talent, terrific coaching, and experience to make an impact.
They Stole the Nickname!
Look at bigtennetwork.com, they have an interview with Al Nolan and what do they call him? Yes, Agent Zero…there are spies everywhere no one is to be trusted!
Indeed. The Daily Gopher Nation needs to keep its collective head on a swivel!
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