Is Rodney Williams' Stock Slipping? And A B-Ball Recruiting Update
The last time Rivals updated their 2009 recruit rankings, Rodney Williams was positioned as the #28 player in the country. Now, as his recruitment is said to be picking up, Rivals sends Williams tumbling down to #95 in the country.
It's not surprising to see some fluctuations in these rankings, but that large of drop is more than surprising. But thanks to the reporting of Twin Cities Hoops Czar, we have an answer.
In my last post, I noted that Rodney Williams had a drastic drop in his ranking. I asked Rivals.com what their logic was behind dropping Rodney Williams from #28 to #95 in their latest rankings. Their head scouting guru Jerry Meyer responded with this answer.
"We were giving Williams a big benefit of the doubt with the #28 ranking based on his athletic ability and potential. Unfortunately, we just haven't seen progress. He looked very out of place at the Nike Global Challenge and was just okay at Lebron Skills Camp. Can really jump, but don't know if he'll get the feel for the game and skill level for that athleticism to really translate."
Very interesting take from Meyer, and it means that the Gophers cannot get the top-two rated players in Minnesota. With Rivals' #19 player, Royce White, already committed to the Gophers, the next highest rated in-state product is Arizona State commit Trent Lockett from Minnetonka. The Gophers never offered Lockett.
We shouldn't read this as horrible news on Williams. He clearly is highly regarded among college coaches, with a nice set of offers from the likes of John Calipari and Jim Calhoun, among others. And as Meyer points out, Williams has a load of talent, even if he hasn't put the entire package together yet.
So, who else in the Rivals Top 150 (and not) are the Gophers after? Below the fold you'll see the Gophers are concentrating on two areas: point guard and big men. This makes a lot of sense considering the talent the Gophers have on board or on the way at the wing positions.

Eric Bledsoe, PG, Birmingham, Ala -- Ranked as the #12 point guard in the country, and #67 overall, Bledsoe recently told GopherIllustrated (subscription) that the Gophers, along with UAB, are currently his top two. There is no doubt that the Gophers desperately need a true point guard to team with Al Nolen. Lawrence Westbrook is a two guard. Devoe Joseph has been pegged as a scorer who can play the point. Bledsoe is described as a floor leader. And with the talent that he would have as a Gopher--Sampson, Iverson, Bostick, Joseph, Hoffarber and Westbrook--he'd have the supporting cast to excel. Of this list, Bledsoe is the guy I mostt want to see join White and WIlliams in the Class of '09.
Matt Vogrich, G, Lake Forest, Ill -- A three-star, permiter oriented guard is ranked as Rivals' #131 player in the 2009 class. Probably more of a two than a one, Vogrich can reportedly handle the point in fine fashion. The Gophers haven't--that I've seen--officially offered Vogrich, and he seems to be leaning towards Notre Dame or Michigan.
Johnnie Lacy, PG, Fitchburg, Mass -- A Wisconsin product who is playing his senior year of ball in Massachusetts, Lacy (#110) is another pure point guard that the Gophers have offered. As of early August, only Minnesota and Marquette had offered Lacy, but Tennessee, Texas and Indiana are also interested, according to Rivals. Lacy seems inclined to play for Bruce Pearl should he have the chance.
Darius Smith, PG, Chicago, Ill -- Another point guard, #113 in the nation, Smith is most often lauded for his quickness and defense. Smith's recruitment seems entirely wide-open, and he has seen interest from a load of schools, according to GopherIllustrated.
Nick Russell, PG, Arlington, Tx -- With an offer list exceptionally long, Russell would seem the biggest longshot on the list to wear maroon and gold, even though he's ranked in the same area as the aformentioned guards at #114 in the country. Russell has offers from Big Ten teams Iowa, Michigan and Minnesota, pretty much the entire Big 12 and an assortment of top-level Pac 10 schools.
Sam Dower, PF, Osseo, Minn -- Point guard isn't the only need for the Gophers. While Iverson and Sampson are two great additions, the Gophers desperately need to continue to add size. A skilled left-handed big man Dower (#119) would fit that criteria as a 6'9, 220 pound power forward. The Gophers would seem to be in competition with Gonzaga for the services of Dower. The Gonzaga blog the Kennel Report took a thorough look at Dower here. If the Zags land Dower, it will be in part because they were after Dower before Tubby Smith and the rest of the country.
Torin Walker, PF, Columbus, Ga -- A Rivals 3-star power forward (not in the Top 150) Walker is another 6'9, 220 pound power forward that would fill Minnesota's need for size. Described as a lanky, shot-blocking type of power forward, GopherIllustrated reports that the Gophers will be in Walker's top five and he wants to visit Dinkytown. But others are in the mix, including Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Kentucky and Georgia.
Daniel Miller, C, Loganville, Ga -- At 6'10, 235 pounds, this 3-star big man would fill Minnesota's need for bulk. Dennis Felton and the Georgia Bulldogs would seem to have the edge in landing Miller.
Trevor Williams, C, Denver, Colo -- An even bigger center, Williams stands at 6'11 and 250 pounds. That's beef. Unranked entirely by Rivals, Tubby Smith and the Gophers entered the Williams sweepstakes late. Colorado State, Purdue and Washington State, among others, were already knocking o Williams' door. But GI reports that Williams is enamored with Tubby Smith. He has size, but could project as a project center of sorts.
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My dream 2009 recruiting class...
SF – Royce White – committed
SG – Rodney Williams – if he can get eligible he’ll commit (I think)
PG – Eric Bledsoe – we better not lose to UAB
PF – Torrin Walker or Sam Dower (I’d be happy with either of them to back up Sampson/Iverson)
That’s another top 20 class, and I think it is entirely attainable.
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by GopherNation on Aug 21, 2008 12:54 PM CDT 0 recs
RSCI
http://home.nc.rr.com/rsci/RSCI_100_PreSummer_2009.htm Rodney Williams at #47 overall. He’s likely to wind up in Top 50 to 75 range. Being recruited by UConn, Kansas, and Memphis. He’s a damn good player regardless of his Rivals #95 ranking.
by FortyYearCatFan on
Aug 21, 2008 7:22 PM CDT
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My thoughts
Having seen Rodney play many times I always thought he was way too high unless you were evaluating strictly on atheticism and upside. His ball skills are not very good. He can’t take a lot of wings off the dribble. And his jumpshot is erratic at best. He does seem (from the outside) to be open to coaching but I wish he’d work on he ball handling as much as he does his dunk show.
Bledsoe looked great this summer and would be awesome (just reports, never seen him play) in maroon and gold. He’ll be tough to pry away from Mike Davis and UAB though. Davis has gotten a couple big time guys lately. Also, supposedly some grade issues.
Lacy is an academic risk for sure. Unless this prep is a diploma factory that might not even help.
I hope Williams (Colorado center not Rodney) doesn’t end up here. I’ve followed tubby and he seems like the classic Tubby project ala Jared Carter on the current UK team.
Nick Russell dropped from 4 stars to 3 stars on the Rivals update too. He’s visiting Iowa this fall and reportedly didn’t have a great summer so not sure how much of the Big 12 is still actively after him. The gophers have no shot and not sure they want him.
Daniel Miller is not coming here and he’s already said so. I say good and refer to my Trevor Williams comments.
My guess at our class.
White
Rodney Williams
Darius Smith
Sam Dower
And I’m cool with that class.
by Col. Nathan Jessup on Aug 21, 2008 1:28 PM CDT 0 recs
Carter
Turned down North Carolina, Illinois, Boston College, Ga Tech, and Cincy to attend UK.
No comparison WHATSOEVER to Trevor Williams.
by FortyYearCatFan on
Aug 21, 2008 7:19 PM CDT
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Carter
All of those schools very late in the process. But, that’s beside the point. I love Tubby and he’ll do great at Minnesota but he does tend to offer some projects at center. Orbzut (sp) and Alleyne are other examples. Or Mike Williams from last year who is gone already. Some others have worked out well. Magloire was a big recruit that was highly ranked but he was still a bit of a project.
by Col. Nathan Jessup on
Aug 21, 2008 7:33 PM CDT
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Miller
I didn’t see him say he wouldn’t come to Minny, but thanks for the info. I did see him talk highly of his hometown school.
And most big men are projects to a certain extent. I expect RSIII to take his lumps and he was fairly heavily coveted.
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by PJS on
Aug 21, 2008 8:04 PM CDT
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Not So
Boston College, Ga Tech, Cincy, Illinois were after him all year.
Carter attended Roy Williams’ camps at Kansas so he knew about him, too.
Obrzut was a late (May 2003) signee who was a replacement for a European big man (Lithuanian Olympian Darius Siliniskis) who proved to be ineligible by NCAA standards.
Alleyne was Top 50 rated and recruited by North Carolina, Louisville, and others.
Magloire was a Pitino recruit, not Tubby.
by FortyYearCatFan on
Aug 22, 2008 5:48 AM CDT
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Ok, ok...
Well, Shargari was more of a top 100 player and you’ll never convince me he wasn’t a “project.” Same with Orbzut. But, I’ll defer to you since you seem much more in tune than I but you’re saying that Tubby doesn’t have some history or rep of taking some big man projects? Although, like PJS said, most freshman big men are a project of some sort.
by Col. Nathan Jessup on
Aug 22, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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Rated #48 By RSCI
http://home.nc.rr.com/rsci/RSCI_100_PostSeason_2003.htm
3 time All-NYC and 2-time All-State in NY. Alleyne was a consensus Top 50 rated recruit.
Obrzut, yes. He was a last minute signee replacing a much more highly rated Lithuanian Olympian (who signed in April 2003 but proved to be inelgible).
Tubby signed Top 30 rated, 6-11 Jule Camara in 1998. Top 10 rated, 6-10 Marvin Stone in 1999. Top 10 rated, 6-8 Jason Parker in 2000. And Top 10 rated, 6-10 Randolph Morris in 2004.
by FortyYearCatFan on
Aug 22, 2008 2:48 PM CDT
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I never said that Tubby didn’t also recruit some great big men to UK. I know that he did. As for Shagari I guess we’ll have to just disagree because an avg. ranking at 58 on your list and he’s “consensus top 50?” Wouldn’t consensus mean most everyone had him in the top 50 and yet his avg. is out of the top 50. I’d call that stretching slightly. Rivals had him in the 80’s.
Anyway, I look forward to Tubby’s time at Minnesota immensely. My point being I just don’t really care to see Trevor Williams or Daniel Miller (or Broghammer for that matter) in maroon and gold.
by Col. Nathan Jessup on
Aug 22, 2008 10:30 PM CDT
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48 On The RSCI List (Alleyne)
RSCI is a consensus list. And 48 is among the Consensus Top 50 therefore.
Daniel Miller is (likely) Georgia bound and a very fine prospect.
Trevor Williams is going to play at Colo St or that level (Div I but not BCS level).
Both Ralph Sampson and Colton Iverson are quality C recruits in 2008 class.
by FortyYearCatFan on
Aug 24, 2008 7:52 AM CDT
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His avg. ranking was 58 though
And I never said Ralph and Colton weren’t. I like them a lot. I continue to stand by my opinion that Tubby can and will do better than Williams. I know the CSU coach and that’d be a great place for him….not the Big 10.
And that’s all I got to say about this.
by Col. Nathan Jessup on
Aug 25, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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# of scholarships
I didn’t think we had 4 scholarships for ’09. Anyone know the number available?
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by PJS on Aug 21, 2008 4:51 PM CDT 0 recs
2 will open up from graduation, Busch’s will be taken away and then there is speculation they’d find a 4th. Popular suggestions are that Payton would either lose his or move into a coaching role, or even speculation that Abu-Shamala would lose his as he as a walk on to begin with.
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by GopherNation on
Aug 21, 2008 8:44 PM CDT
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I know, I know
this is the kind of low brow basketball coverage you can expect from me! :)
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by GopherNation on
Aug 22, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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3 But...
A 4th opening can develop if someone (Hoffarber) goes on academic scholarship. That is permitted by NCAA rules now.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 21, 2008 7:17 PM CDT 0 recs
No..
Jamal won’t be losing his, except via graduation, which he would be doing anyway.
by From The Barn on Aug 21, 2008 9:49 PM CDT 0 recs
yes, sorry
quick typing without thinking/researching.
tom
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by GopherNation on Aug 21, 2008 10:55 PM CDT 0 recs
13 scholarships...
Seniors (2)
Abu-Shamla
Williams
Juniors (5)
D. Johnson
Westbrook
Bostick
Busch – scholarship likely gone
Payton -
Sophs (3)
Nolen
Hoffarber
Carter
Freshmen (3)
Sampson
Joseph
Iverson
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by GopherNation on Aug 22, 2008 7:37 AM CDT 0 recs









