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Gophers @ Badgers - TDG Preview

Bucky_badger_mediumMinnesota has not won a game in Madison since 1994!  Yes, even that great Final Four team 0-0 team in 1996-97 lost in Madison to end the regular season.  The statement that could be made with a win here is much bigger than boosting the NCAA resume. 

These teams are very similar.  Both score just over 1.1 points per possession while giving up .94 per possession.  Both typically play at a slower pace with Minnesota averaging 65 possessions per game and Wisconsin averaging just 61 (333rd in the country).  Both are very well coached, play great defense and play well together on offense.

This should be a lot of fun and more than anything I'm looking forward to two specific match ups.

F Damian Johnson vs. F Marcus Landry.

Landry is Wisconsin's leading scorer and Johnson is our best defender.  Typically this would be a great thing for the Gophers.  Johnson has done a fine job this year guarding some great opponents, highlighted by holding Michigan State's Raymar Morgan to just 10 points in the Gopher loss.  A year ago Landry averaged just 11.5 points and 3 points against Minnesota.  If Johnson can keep Landry around those numbers that will bode well for the Gophers.

PG Al Nolen vs. PG Trevon Hughes

Another great PG match up for Nolen. 

Unlike Landry, Hughes had a couple big games agasint minnesota last year.  In the Barn he put up 20 points to go with three assists and six steals.  In Madison he only scored 11 but he contributed with six rebounds and zero turnovers.  Nolen will need to get on Hughes from the opening tip. Hughes has 12 of his 23 turnovers in Wisconsin's four losses. 

After those individual match ups there are a couple other key group match ups that will be crucial to the Gopher's winning.

Bench vs. Bench

I think our bench strength is way overplayed.  Just because we play a lot of guys and have such balanced scoring does not mean our bench is necessarily better than another teams.  But in Madison they are going to have to be better than the Badgers. 

Wisconsin doesn't play a ton of guys and they can get away with it with their style of play not being all that taxing on a player.  Being better than their bench really means we need to shut down Jon Leuer.  He is capable of leading the Badgers is scoring and we need to keep him below his 9.8 ppg.

We need our bench to be very similar to what it was against Penn State.  If we can bring in Bostick, Carter, Hoffarber and Joseph off the bench and not lose a step we can wear down this thin Badger team.  They don't need to combine for 40 again but they need to shoot well and need to defend great.

Bostick may be primed for a great game.  Lost in the rivalry and as people look at the Minnesota kids playing for Wisconsin, is the fact that Bostick is a Wisconsin kid playing for the Gophers.  He led his high school team to back-to-back state championships but was never offered by the Badgers.  Needless to say, he's looking forward to this game.

Win the Paint

Can Sampson and Iverson hold their own in the paint on the road?  Madison is a tough place to play and theyse guys are obviously freshmen.  There is no reason that they shouldn't be able to score in the paint.  Wisconsin will pack the paint defensively but if they can get open on the block they really should be able to either score or kick to a shooter.

For Wisconsin Landry is very athletic inside but no other Badger is really capable of dominating the paint on either end of the court. 

I asked the new Wisconsin blog Bucky's 5th Quarter a few questions and here was what he had to say...

1.  The Badgers have had a run of good teams in recent years.  How does this team compare to the Badgers of the last two or three seasons.
This team is good, but they won't be winning 30 games like the previous two teams did. It's still hard to gauge how good they will be, but it's looking like they will be a No. 6 or 7 seed in the NCAA Tournament rather than a No. 2 or 3 seed, as in past years.
The main difference is the reliance on youth. Last year's team had to overcome the losses of it's two best scorers, Alando Tucker and Kammron Taylor, but it was able to form a balanced scoring attack with two seniors (Brian Butch and Michael Flowers) stepping up their averages, combined with two sophomore guards (Trevon Hughes and Jason Bohannon) getting full playing time. This year you have another two (actually even three) sophomores entering the mix in Jon Leuer, Keaton Nankivil and Tim Jarmusz, but the difference is that Marcus Landry and Joe Krabbenhoft aren't the guys to step up their offensive game like Butch and Flowers did a year ago. Plus, the loss of Flowers has hurt the defense.
2.  Each year there are low expectations for what is expected to come out of Madison but every year Bo Ryan's teams surpass.  Is this team going to surpass the low expectations or will they once again finish at or near the top of the Big Ten?
The reality is that this team isn't much worse than last year's team, which greatly benefitted from a down year for the conference. Going 8-1 on the road in Big Ten play, like the Badgers did last season, isn't realistic. As a result, Wisconsin is more likely to finish third or fourth in the conference.
3.  I'm turning the coach question back on you.  Assume both are coaching for your favorite school...who would you most want to play for, Tubby or Bo? 
Well the question was, who would I want to play for? I would probably want to play for Tubby Smith before I wanted to play for Bo Ryan. Smith's system is faster, more exciting and the chances of getting my points would be a lot higher. Now, if you asked me who I would want in charge of my program, I'm going with Bo. His system might not be flashy, but it consistently wins games. Every program is going to have down years, but Bo's system allows for those down years to still be successful (i.e. capitalizing on the Big Ten Championship in 2008 when it was a down year for the whole conference).
4.  As a Badger fan, does this game make you nervous?  What is the percent chance that Wisconsin loses two consecutive home games?
This game definitely makes me nervous. Streaks and records are meant to be broken. The Gophers haven't won in Madison since 1994 and this is definitely their best chance in recent years. And if the Badgers lose this one, then there is a great chance that they could lose two consecutive home games, with Purdue coming in next. It's obvious that the Boilermakers length bothers Wisconsin's guards and Purdue won at the Kohl Center last year with essentially the same team. We have to remember, however, that Wisconsin goes on the road for two straight road games in between the Gophers and Boilers. A lot can happen in two weeks.
5.  What will have to go right for MN (or wrong for Wis) if the Gophers are going to come away with a win?
Basically the Gophers have to continue playing like the calm, mature team they apparently are. I think most people thought that Minnesota was a year away from this kind of play and this is a true test for a team that hasn't exactly been in any tough road environments this season. That's the biggest edge that Wisconsin has, and it might be a big enough edge to win the game. It might come down to the play of Colton Iverson and Ralph Sampson III. For the first time in a long time, it's the Gophers with the tall guys down low, not Wisconsin. But can they defend Landry and Leuer? If they do, the Gophers win.

Predictions

As usual I am optimistic about the Gopher's chances.  Part of what makes me optimisic is that we are coming off our most complete and most impressive game of the year.  Penn State was a home game and they are not Wisconsin but we executed better than I have seen in years and certain guys seem to be poised to step up in meaningful ways (Bostick and Carter).  I don't see either team capable of pulling away with a 15 point win.

I have no problem believing that not only we can win but we will.  Gophers win 64-59.

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History tough to beat

History is a tough thing to overcome. I think the Gophers have the ability to beat Wisconsin, but I don’t think they will do it at the Kohl Center. Wisconsin 71 Gophers 64. I sure hope I’m wrong.

John Maynard

by COJOMAY on Jan 15, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bench

I do not think our bench is overplayed. Yes, we give bench guys a lot of minutes, but how many teams are capable of having confidence in that many guys? I think our tempo is understated. The Gophers do like to push the ball upcourt and score in transition. Many of our opponents like to slow the game down, however, which affects the number of possessions we have in a game.

Given the strength of our bench and our uptempo play, I think we can wear down Wisconsin. As you mentioned, their bench doesn’t go very deep and they play a style where they don’t have to run as much. If we can wear them down quicker and make Ryan go to his bench more often than usual, we can take advantage with Tubby’s hockey like line changes.

I think our Achilles heel will be turnovers. Wisconsin is traditionally good at protecting the ball and not making mistakes. We have shown flashes of immaturity at times by committing unforced errors. Nolen hasn’t had too many bad games, even the MSU game was a good one for him. If the Badgers get to Nolen and pressure him into having a tough game, it could be a long night for the Golden Gophers.

As far as our big men, we have to use them at the right time. Iverson has shown he can be tough and won’t back down from physical play. Sampson is more athletic and seems to sneak up on people to make plays on both ends of the courts without overpowering opponents. If they both can stay out of foul trouble we should be okay.

I think this one is going to come down to the final seconds unless Nolen has a bad game; then the Badgers win big.

by rencito on Jan 15, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

overplayed was terrible choice of words

I didn’t mean time played. I meant that they are getting a lot ink lately about this being a “strength.” I don’t think that just because we play a lot of guys that it is actually a strength.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Jan 15, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that our Bench

IS much better than most teams we play. We may not always have the best 6th man, but we definitely are the deepest team on the floor most nights. I think that you are right in that the story of our bench has been beaten-to-death, but it definitely is an advantage for Tubby to have a ton of different options to play. The bench that we have is one of the biggest strengths of this team.

by GreasyLlama on Jan 15, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I knew what you meant

And what I meant is that I think it gets a lot of ink because it really is a strength. No one on our team has to play 30 minutes a game. That means we have fresh legs out there all the time. If we are going to beat Wisconsin tonight, it is going to be because we run on them and keep up the defensive pressure because we have more energy than they do.

Unfortunately, I just feel like Nolen is due to have a bad game. He really is the catalyst of the ofense. He is so good at distributing the ball and not turning it over. Wisconsin is known for their defense, so they could really test him tonight. If my fear comes true, we will probably lose by 15. I’m not sure that Bostick, Carter, and Joseph will be able to perform like they did against PSU.

Here is to hoping I am dead wrong.

by rencito on Jan 15, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Would Be Nice W For Gophers

Hard to say if but it certainly CAN happen.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 15, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sam Freaking Okey

Every time we play in Madison, I keep thinking back to that game that didn’t happen in 1997, and how that clown took us apart. I still just shake my head. I hope Clem hits him with a tractor some day in the future.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Jan 15, 2009 12:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think Wisconsin pulls this off relatively easily.

10-15 point spread for Bucky. Unfortunately.

Maroon and Gold Headquarters: The Daily Gopher

by PJS on Jan 15, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gophers Win 68-61

Paul Carter MVP.

The streak has to come to an end. This is the year!

by GreasyLlama on Jan 15, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

we are

better than last year and Wisconsin is not as good. So the gap has closed and we are capable of winning this.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Jan 15, 2009 1:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with PJS

The gophers will lose this game. This game comes down to one thing: offensive efficiency. The badgers will take better shots than the gophers, and thus have better posessions.

by Hussy Hideous Hoffarber on Jan 15, 2009 2:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I Don't Have a Good Feeling About this Game

It’s funny, but we all get caught up in the moment. It seems to me that in order to validate the success we’ve had since 1994, we have to win this. Of course it isn’t true, but that’s how I feel. Maybe because a loss would be more like a signal of the beginning of the end of Badger dominance in this series. I have to admit, I REALLY enjoy the success we have had over UM in recent years and losing it would be like losing a trusted friend. You know, the one you can count on once, and usually twice, per year to give you that little lift that gets you over the hump during the rough times. Oh well….

As far as the game is concerned, Bo has never played underclassmen as much as he has this year. And it seems to me that he is building for the end of the season and beyond. I don’t think Bo cares about the Kohl Center mystique or the fact that it is Minnesota. I’m sure he doesn’t want to lose, but I don’t think he looks at this game any differently than an early season matchup against East West State A&M University. I wish I could feel the same way. The Badgers don’t handle pressure defense well. They never have. They don’t have the defense stoppers that they have in the past. If the Gophers force turnovers and are sure-handed themselves, and I think they will, they will win. I’ll be back later to comment win or lose.

Mark 8:36

by lonebadger on Jan 15, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

heh

Badgers definitely have bragging rights right now, and I think they should be favoured tonight if only because it’s at their place. I’m a big fan of Ryan too, I think he’s a great coach, I remember watching a couple of games against Monson’s teams when MN, I thought, had superior talent – guys like Rickert and Burleson, also what was the name of that great forward, can’t remember – and I remember thinking Wisc. won those games mostly on coaching. Ryan knows his stuff.

I do think the statement “I don’t think he looks at this game any differently than an early season matchup against East West State A&M University” is a bit of an exaggeration, though, for a couple of reasons: first, because this is a league game; second, because that MN talent pipeline he seems to have established is basically built on being able to sell the superiority of the WI program to MN kids.

by plinytheelder on Jan 15, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did I mention the Badgers can’t handle pressure D? I don’t want to say too much now because I’m upset but I will say that I think Ryan’s even keeled attitude toward every individual game cost us tonight. We didn’t have near the energy you guys did. Still think Ryan stresses one game over another?

http://www.uwbadgers.com/audio_video/

Play Ryan’s comments from 1/15/2009.

Mark 8:36

by lonebadger on Jan 15, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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