Indiana's T-Shirt Campaign Is Offensive
I watched the halftime interview between the BTN talking head and the new athetlic director at Indiana, whose last name is Glass. During the interview, Glass and the BTN talker pimped the white t-shirts that everyone was wearing at the game (and yes, an Indiana "white-out" in basketball looks about 1/30th as good as a Penn State football "white-out.")
Well, on the back of the shirt, it said this:
"Never, never, never give up."
Winston Churchill, 1941.
This was crossed out, and below it read:
"Never, never, never give up."
Tom Crean, 2009.
After I got done throwing up in my mouth, I thought about the context of the two quotes. On one hand, we've got the Prime Minister of a country who was being attacked by Nazi Germany, where people were being bombed out of their houses and living in the London subway system. In a few months after the speech was made by Churchill, Pearl Harbor would be bombed and the United States would enter the war.
This is part of the "never give up" speech by Churchill. Look at the eloquence and the despair that Britain was suffering at the time:
Sometimes imagination makes things out far worse than they are; yet without imagination not much can be done. Those people who are imaginative see many more dangers than perhaps exist; certainly many more than will happen; but then they must also pray to be given that extra courage to carry this far-reaching imagination. But for everyone, surely, what we have gone through in this period - I am addressing myself to the School - surely from this period of ten months this is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. We stood all alone a year ago, and to many countries it seemed that our account was closed, we were finished. All this tradition of ours, our songs, our School history, this part of the history of this country, were gone and finished and liquidated.
Now, let's turn to Indiana. They are supposed to "never give up" over their former coach who repeatedly broke recruiting violations, that they lost most of their scholarship players, that Eric Gordon complained that his teammates were in altered states last year, and that the program hired a highly successful ex-Marquette coach and paid him $600,000 per year, at least $1.4 million per in "marketing and promotional efforts," 2 late model cars, 60 home tix per bball game, 8 tix per football game (yeah, I know, that reduces the contract).
Spare me. The use of a quote attributed to a man who was helping a country fight against its destruction, in order to rally a fanbase to win a few basketball games, even as I rationally consider the quote, is offensive. I highly doubt the Indiana program would sanction the use of quotes by Martin Luther King, Yasser Arafat, or Gloria Steinem to use in comparison with their basketball team's self-inflicted wounds. This quote should not have been used either and the program, or whoever sanctioned the shirt, should be embarrassed.
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really?
When I saw the postline I thought you were joking (in that having a white out is racist/offensive – hur hur!). But then after reading your lengthy post, I realize how serious you are taking this.
I guess you can rightly make the case that it is impossible to compare the two (Churchill and Crean). But I’m sure Crean is just taking a page from the Bobby Bowden notebook with “Let’s Roll” and it’s reference to 9/11.
I’m not going to tell you that you are wrong. I’m just going to say that there are more important things in the world to worry about.
I'm all for sports...
…I love sports, I enjoy sports. But I don’t like comparing sports to the real life suffering and historical injustices in life. I think that the more people call out those who unintentionally belittle history by comparing it to NCAA basketball games, the better. And there’s not a better place to do it than the Internet.
I think you are taking this way too seriously
Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Eat babies! Badger babies!
I think the bigger problem....
…is that whoever created those shirts didn’t sit down and ask, “Gee, is it appropriate to equate Kellen Sampson’s excessive texting and our NCAA violations with the words of a man who was leading England during WWII?”
I don't think it's a reflection of Kelvin Sampson....
I think it’s more a reflection of “starting over”. Crean’s been dealt a horrible hand——-and, yes, it’s justified from the past Head Coaching mistakes—-but it’s not his fault. He’s just saying, “Everyone says we will be horrible, that we don’t have the talent, but we’re still going to work hard and be competitive and not just "give up”. " It’s called motivation.
I give the guy credit. He hasn’t once blamed the past administration for the hand he was dealt. He’s a positive step for that program. His team, though winless, is a lot better than most thought they would be.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 26, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Well, then...
…why not just write “Don’t give up” and quote Peter Gabriel from that duet he penned in the 1980s?
You know the answer to that. There’s more moral weight behind quoting Sir Winston Churchill than quoting Peter Gabriel (though wouldn’t “Red Rain is falling down” be quite nifty for Indiana athletics?) So, when you peel back the quote from Churchill and realize the quote’s context, it makes IU look rather silly for using it.
"(Just Like) Starting Over" by John Lennon might be better.....
….but then the Beatles’ fans might get upset. :)
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 26, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know if I'd use the word "offensive" -
“silly” or “shortsighted,” I think, might work a bit better. Or maybe “embarrassing” as you say at the end of your post; I’d probably go along with you there.
I do have a question however: why the mention of MLK, Arafat and Steinem? I don’t understand the point you’re making there.
I mention....
…MLK, Arafat and Steinem because they fought for racial, religious or gender-based causes that I don’t believe people are so quick to equate with sporting cliches. I don’t think there is any appropriate situation where a basketball team such as Indiana’s would adopt Gloria Steinem’s fight for gender neutrality and womens’ rights for a marketing plan based on their NCAA violations. I don’t think it’s appropriate to use WW II fights for the same cause.
ah -
gotcha. Thanks.
I still don’t think I’d go so far as to say it is “offensive,” I think it’s too ridiculous for that…although it is unfortunate, as you point out, that they seem to be implying that they’re under attack, rather than receiving appropriate penalties for violations.
by plinytheelder on Jan 26, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
Perfect example...
That the world has become WAY too PC these days.
I suppose you were equally offended when Jim Valvano used the same quote during his battle with cancer?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
Not at all....
….the issue isn’t being “too PC.” The issue is proportionality. Equating your NCAA ban to a World War is just ridiculous and insulting.
Fighting cancer is a matter of life and death. As an inspirational quote for a man fighting for his life, the quote was appropriate.
..and some would say....
equating a World War when hundreds of thousands of countrymen are killed along with the destruction of buildings and countryside to one person fighting cancer would be just as ridiculous and insulting.
You must be equally offended by the way football uses tons of war metaphors. How dare they use the term “field general” to describe a QB, when football is just a game and a real “field general” is dealing with real life and death of hundreds of soldiers! How insulting to the real field generals of the world.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 26, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
It does get rather....
….nauseating to listen to war metaphors being used in football. My wife and I regularly roll our eyes and criticize the announcers when they do it. Going to battle, in the trenches, blah.
And, the point is not one person fighting cancer. It’s that that one person is using a quote to not give up in a proportional, equivalent situation. Churchill was talking about the death of his country, their very existence. Valvano was talking about cancer and what it does to people, and looking for a cure. Valvano’s use of the term was closer to relevant than IU’s was, that’s for sure.
I agree
There was no reason to equate WWII with Indiana basketball. It was poor judgment. There was no need to put Churchill’s quote on their in strikeout. I understood where they were going with it (the strikeout wasn’t to invalidate it, but just recreate it) but I think it was over the top and the judgment needs to be questioned.
I also hate the war metaphors in football. I hate how barbaric the attitudes have become with the players and fans alike. It is a game—not war. Not even close. A game is supposed to be fun—war couldn’t be any more opposite. I’m not saying all references are offensive (such as field general, coaches coming up with a plan of attack, et al), but when players talk about going to war or comparing themselves to soldiers, that is when it becomes ignorant.














