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A little help from my friends - Black Shoe Diaries helps us understand Penn State a little bit

Blackshoediaries_mediumI have asked Mike over at Black Shoe Diaries to help us out a little bit by answering a few questions about his favorite team.

TDG - I am kind of fascinated with expectations. Minnesota, record-wise, is about where people had thought they would be yet I'm hearing plenty of grumblings about how terrible we are. Clearly the Gophers are not a perfect team. Penn State is halfway through the season sits at 5-1 having beaten nobody significant. Factoring in preseason expectations and how people currently feel about the Nittany Lions, how has the season gone so far?

BSD - The Iowa loss was a tough pill to swallow, but I can't say there was a lot of shock on the Penn State side over it. Going into the season I think everyone knew that going undefeated would be difficult when you have to rebuild the offensive line as well as replace all of the wide receivers and the entire secondary. Iowa did a good job of exploiting the offensive line, and they capitalized on opportunities presented by the special teams and turnovers. Most people, including myself, predicted a 10-2 season and so far I think that record is still achievable. I had hoped that Penn State could sneak through the first half of the schedule and use the lesser competition to make themselves into a really good football team. I think they did that, but unfortunately they had the hiccup against Iowa.

In a way I think the program overall will be better because of the loss. I think it served to wake up some of the younger players on the team and made them realize they are going to have to work hard and show up to every game and every practice because nobody is going to lay down and take a loss just because the game is played at 8 PM in Beaver Stadium and everybody is wearing white. The team seems more focused now and has made some significant progress the past two weeks. I'm really pleased with the way they used to loss as motivation.

TDG - First in total offense, first in total defense, first in points allowed, first in third down conversions, first in 3rd down conversions allowed, first in sacks, first in sacks allowed...is there a weakness on this Penn State team? Or are these guady stats a function of their opponents.

BSD - I think to some degree you have to say the level of competition helps pads the stats, but they are very good. Ask yourself this: If any Big Ten team other than Ohio State played Penn State's schedule, would they also be ranked first in all of those categories? Probably not.

Penn State is a very good football team, but they're not really a great football team yet. They're getting there though. I already mentioned the concerns I had at wide receiver, offensive line, and secondary before the season. I think the wide receivers are fine. Chaz Powell and Derek Moye have exceeded my expectations. The jury is still out on the offensive line. They seem to be doing better since the Iowa game, but until I see them do well against a decent defense I'm still skeptical. And I'm still not 100% sold on the secondary. They have played well to this point, but they get a lot of help from the defensive line which doesn't give quarterbacks much time to throw. I think this week will be their first real test against Eric Decker. If they can hold him to just five or six catches and 60 or 70 yards I'll be pretty pleased.

TDG - Which is more dominant the Penn State offense led by Royster and Clark or the defense?

BSD - So far you have to say the defense. They have been more consistent than the offense to this point. The defensive line led by tackles Jared Odrick and Ollie Ogbu has been just nasty. They're a little thin at linebacker until Sean Lee comes back from tweaking his knee, but Navorro Bowman and Josh Hull do a fine job. I already mentioned the secondary is doing well, even though I'm not sure they are as good as their stats suggest.

The performance of the offense centers around the offensive line. Royster and Clark are proven commodities at this point, and like I said, I'm pleased with the way the wide receivers have stepped up. When the offensive line can open up holes for Royster and Stephfon Green while keeping Daryll Clark upright, the offense is unstoppable. But Iowa showed that teams that get pressure on Clark can force him into turnovers. So it's important for the offensive line to do well. One thing that worries me about the game this week is that Penn State may be down to their third option at right tackle as DeOn'tae Pannell and Nerraw McCormack are both nursing sprained ankles. Last week they had to start Ako Poti who was a junior college transfer a few years ago.

TDG - Special Teams is maybe the one area that Penn State hasn't completely dominated this year (see the Iowa game!). And conversely the Gopher special forces have been very good this year. Can this actually be an advantage for Minnesota? And if so can it translate into a win?

BSD - Penn State is playing a lot of young players on special teams this year. Normally your coverage teams consist of a lot of second string linebackers and safeties...or in other words, guys who know how to tackle. But Penn State is thin in the secondary due to years of poor recruiting, and they are thin at linebacker due to injuries. So now when I look at the coverage teams I see a lot of backup running backs and true freshmen. So early in the year it took a few shoe string tackles to keep Temple and Syracuse from returning kickoffs for touchdowns. They've made a lot of improvement since then, but they're still not great. They're good at filtering the play inside and stopping it, but not before they give up a 30 yard return. Minnesota should be able to get some good returns on kickoffs.

Jeremy Boone is a fantastic punter, so he will hopefully pin Minnesota deep a few times. Place kicking is an issue though. I'm not happy with Colin Wagner. His kickoffs are short and I don't think he's made a field goal over 35 yards yet. That could be a problem they haven't really been faced with yet.

TDG - So the Gophers actually have a little recent history of pulling out big wins in Happy Valley. Does Saturday's game concern you a little? What will have to go right for Minnesota and wrong for Penn State for the Gophers to pick up their 5th win in the last 7 meetings between these two clubs?

BSD - I like how you spun that stat around to suggest Minnesota has won four out of the last six games between our two clubs. I could also ask you what the Gophers plan to do to break the two game losing streak against Penn State? If you consider three wins against some of the worst Penn State teams of the Paterno era to be "big wins", more power to you. (Granted, 1999 was a big win. I'll give you that.)

Kidding aside, I'm not too worried about this game. No disrespect intended to Minnesota or yourself, but Penn State is on a different talent level from the Gophers. I see an offense that is not just one dimensional, it's one-player dimensional. And the Gopher's are ranked 83rd in rushing defense and 77th in total defense. This is a game, in Beaver Stadium on homecoming, that Penn State should handle easily. If they don't I will be extremely disappointed.

Excellent stuff as always from the premier Penn State blog (that is saying a lot because there are about 346 PSU blogs out there).  Thanks Mike.

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Hmmm, for some reason my Snob-O-Meter is acting up

"If we got to we're going to crawl in this locker room. And on our back is going to be an axe..."

by buddylee853 on Oct 13, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What do you want me to say?

There is a significant difference in talent level between these two teams. We have six players that won All Big Ten honors in the past. You have Eric Decker. Do you want to hear it straight up like it is? Or do you want me to tell you Minnesota is going to be a tough opponent and I’m really scared even though I’m not?

by BSD on Oct 14, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike

Don’t sleep on a Gopher CB named Ryan Collado. Absolutely fearsome in pass defense. Will steal Darryl Clark’s girlfriend. And will drink all your Mickey’s before leaving town Sunday morning. BOOM COLLADO’D.

by JG2112 on Oct 14, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet!

I like the sound of this guy. Mickey’s is only for real studs. What’s his number, so I can keep an eye on this thief?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 15, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we talkin' the old school Mickey's

with the pull ring top that nearly amputated a thumb every time you opened one, or the newer girl friendly twist offs?

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Oct 15, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go for it

If you can steal our tight end Mickey Shuler, more power to ya. He’s about 6’2" and 240 lbs and I’m pretty sure he puts up a fight.

by BSD on Oct 15, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait...when did Clark and Shuler start dating?

I would have thought this would be bigger news

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 15, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think to some degree you have to say the level of competition helps pads the stats, but they are very good. Ask yourself this: If any Big Ten team other than Ohio State played Penn State’s schedule, would they also be ranked first in all of those categories? Probably not.

This might be true, but I bet at least 7 of the 10 other Big Ten teams would be 5-1.

Don't sell yourself short Judge, you're a tremendous slouch.

by jerdogg1 on Oct 14, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thankfully

the three non 5-1 teams would be Illinois, Purdue and Indiana.

by JG2112 on Oct 14, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heck, some of them might even be 6-0

Though I’m not really sure how Iowa would fare against Iowa, since they would be guaranteed a loss, but also a win.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 15, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing about the Big Ten

is every game is a potential disaster. Back when we joined the league, a guy who had followed the Big Ten for years told me that the problem isn’t being the best team in the league. The problem is that even when you are somebody beats you anyway.

Despite all the negative press, this is still a tough league; every team in it does at least a couple of things well, such that if a you get a match up problem you could be in trouble. Iowa really capitalized on the offensive line, which everybody recognized as a glaring weakness.

Minnesota has the potential to capitalize on a potential weakness in the secondary. Over at BSD, a much of the hand wringing over our secondary has been assuaged by saying; “yeah, but who do we play that can really take advantage of that?”. Minnesota could, at least theoretically.

The second thing that concerns me, again, is the weather. This Penn State team is not capable of grinding out a win on the ground against even a mid level Big Ten team. Frankly, the way our team deals with weather is a bit embarrassing, If I had my preference, I’d rather deal with SEC speed on a fast track, then Big Ten power in the snow any day of the week. Take that for what it’s worth. We have a tremendous amount of talent, and one of the fastest teams in the country, but snow scares the shit out of me.

Finally, close games can be decided on special teams, and that is the one statistical area that really favors the Gophers. We’re uncharacteristically bad on special teams this year, and it only takes one or two plays to make a huge difference. When we kick extra points, I’m actually concerned that Collin Wagner will miss the kick. Short.

I actually think that if Minnesota can make this a sloppy game, get one big play on offense, one on special teams, and get two turnovers that they can win. Penn State should win, but there is a pretty realistic path to an upset here.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Oct 15, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Nice summary brother. Very salient on the Big Ten being tough through and through.

Of all the digs the Hawkeyes got in on us after their win, the one that hurt me most was the rhetorical: ‘what is your team’s core competency?’ For years that was as easy as answering ’who’s the most hated team in the Big Ten?’ But with our change in recruiting focus a few years ago, we’re now admitting such things as ‘frankly, the way our team deals with weather is a bit embarrassing.’ Don’t get me wrong, I like our talent and swiftness these days, but damn, here’s to manning up!

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 15, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

It’s like the team is built to try and beat Florida in January at the expense of beating Iowa in November.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Oct 15, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which I find annoying because we beat Tennessee in Florida in January by trucking them with Tony Hunt.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 15, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well to be fair

Hunt sealed the game after our defense won it for us: a fumble returned for 6 plus we had (maybe) the best LB core ever: Lee, Connor, and Poz. Maybe that’s a bold statement, but it’s probably been 20 years since you could even compare another LB core to that one.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Oct 15, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also I meant (maybe) best LB core in Penn State history, not like… college football history — I’m pretty sure last year’s USC LB’s would have given our 2006 crew a run for their money.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Oct 15, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what?

No one ever answered “What is your team’s core competency”. I sure as hell didn’t have an answer.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 15, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's defense.

Even when Penn State has been bad, the defense has been good.

"Dr. Samuel Johnson's right about Olson Johnson being right."

by mushdamma on Oct 15, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Offensively

It’s supposed to be diversity. We run and pass, and you can’t key on any one item.

What’s Iowa’s? They’re a running team? How is that superior to our philospohy as a generality? i.e. wouldn’t you rather have a diverse offense that does everything well, as opposed to being simply a running team?

Frankly, “What is your team’s core competency?”, seems less like a question and more like some manner of confusing new age psycho-babble.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Oct 15, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

That’s a stupid question to begin with. Our core competency is that we can do anything and everything – anyone with the ball is dangerous. Clark can beat you with his arm and legs. We have a strong receiving corps and arguably the best running backs in the B10. Unfortunately this all kind of falls apart w/o a good O line.

Again, what’s Iowa’s core competency? Special teams? Eking out close wins? Not making mistakes except for Stanziballs? Dominating field position and failing to cash in on it points-wise? What is their offensive core competency?? They can run fairly well (I guess?), but their offense still only got into the end zone once when they played us. Also, why is it a good thing to have an “identity” that really just makes you predictable? Minne’s “offensive identity” is Eric Decker. That’s not a good thing (for them) IMHO.

Dumb question.

by PSUMark2008 on Oct 15, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PSUMark2008

You can criticize Iowa all you want, just remember:

Iowa 24 – Penn State 23 (2008).
Iowa 21 – Penn State 10 (2009).

by JG2112 on Oct 15, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look

I’m not criticizing Iowa’s win record over us. Obviously they beat us. They were the better team on both of those nights. We played like crap both games. They played better than use. They deserved to win. ‘Grats to them. If I had a nickle for every time I’ve said that since 9/26 I’d have at least a quarter by now.

But what I am criticizing is Iowa fans criticizing us for not being able to say what our offensive “identity” is, whatever the heck that even means. It’s a dumb question. And it also irks me when certain PSU fans feel the need to fellate Iowa over how good they are just because they beat us. Yeah, they’re a good team – the only undefeated team in the B10 right now, but they’re not the 1972 Miami Dolphins. And even if they were, seriously, some PSU fans need to get up off their knees.

So, basically, out of context, it may have seemed like I was being whiny, but there’s a lot of context behind what I said – it’s just all back at BSD.

by PSUMark2008 on Oct 15, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh uh

you said tremendous. That will get you very far on a Minnesota chat board.

by JG2112 on Oct 15, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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