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The Gray Era: If Not Now, When?

The Marqueis Gray era should begin Saturday against South Dakota State. There is no reason to prolong the Adam Weber experiment.

In the post below GN cries out to give Weber more time. Weber's been inconsistent, GN argues, which means that sometimes he's been less than awful and therefore he should remain the starter. Bah. Sorry, GN, I love ya, but I completely disagree with you here.

We've had almost three full seasons to watch Weber now. At one point, perhaps like many of you, I had high hopes for the Shoreview native. But instead of taking a step forward in his junior year, Weber has regressed. I don't know if it's the change in offensive coordinators or the tweaks to his throwing motion. It doesn't matter. Weber is completing 54 percent of his passes this season, down significantly from 62 percent last year. 

In looking through Weber's stats for his three seasons one thing stuck out to me. Would any of you had imagined during Weber's freshman or sophomore seasons that as a junior, against Purdue, Weber would attempt only 9 passes? Or that he would throw for more than 300 yards only once as a junior--during his 416 yard aberration against Michigan State. 

It's not just because fans live or die with the team--or play Madden football--that many fans are calling for a change at quarterback. It's because we've seen a quarterback who once looked to have promise take a few steps backwards. Has he made some good plays? Led the charge on some nice drives? Absolutely. And has he perhaps had a raw deal with the turnover at coordinator and the offensive line situation? Yep.

But now is the time to make the change for reasons beyond Weber's on the field performance.

That reason wears #5 for the maroon and gold. Here's what GN said about why starting Gray won't happen..

 And brace yourself for this...barring injury, he'll likely start every game next year.  I know that many of you are going to throw your arms up and declare that if Brewster even thinks about starting Weber over Gray next year he should be fired before the 1st quarter is over.  But it just won't happen.

First and foremost, coaches will go with what they know and who they trust.  I coached basketball at the college level for several years and while I completely understand that it is a different sport and a VERY different level of talent, I learned several things that are true at any level.  One is that coaches will go with who they trust.  Adam Weber has a three year resume under his belt and Brewster, after watching him in 38 games and hundreds of practices knows exactly what he is and is not capable of.  The casual or even passionate fan who is so livid after the first two quarters of the Illini game that they saw nothing positive in the second half; are not nearly well enough informed to make this decision.

Brewster is going to play the QB that best gives him a chance to win.

Gray happens to be the most heralded recruit to come to Minnesota under Brewster. He's the future. I'll grant GN that Weber is the quarterback who gives the Gophers the best chance to beat the Jackrabbits and the Hawkeyes, but continuing to start Weber into next year only prolongs the maturation process for Gray and stunts the longterm potential of the team.

Let me put it this way .... which quarterback might eventually lead the Gophers to the Rose Bowl? I think we know now that Adam Weber will most certainly never do that. So, why not let Gray learn the ropes now? Why not let him build a rapport with Brandon Green? Why not let him adjust to the speed or defensive packages of the Hawkeyes in an unfriendly environment during the season finale? There's no good reason, not even Brewster's job security.

If Brewster transitions to Gray now, all of a sudden Minnesota fans will be looking for signs of hope instead of pointing out reasons for despair. Gray will be the first quarterback recruited by Brewster to throw to receivers recruited by Brewster. This is one of the rare occasions where the best thing for the football Gophers is also the best thing for Brewster's job security and the public relations needs of the program.

I have no idea how Gray will perform if he's given the starting nod. I expect he'll have some flashes of good with a steady stream of bad. And the offensive line will be just as bad for Gray as it has been for Weber.

None of this is an indictment on Weber, his character or work ethic. But, again, for the long-term health of the program, it's time to turn the keys over to a young quarterback who just might lead the Gophers out of its decades-long funk.

If not now, when? Gray's junior year? I might be alone in this, but I'd much rather see what we have in Gray sooner rather than later.

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Who should start Minnesota's final two games?
Adam Weber
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Marqueis Gray
106 votes
Goldy
25 votes

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I just want to make sure everyone has all the info

on MarQueis Gray. Before I start, let me make it clear he’s my favorite Gopher and my wife loves him because she met him at the Gopher Womens’ Clinic and the picture is her work computer wallpaper.

First off, he won the QB job as a sophomore in HS and threw for about 900 yards. As a junior, he threw the ball 140 times completing about 50% of his passes. As a senior, he missed all but 5 games due to injury, and went 19/32 for the season. Yes, Gray threw the ball 32 times as a senior.

As everyone knows, Gray did not play football, anywhere, from November 2007 until January 2009. Why? Bad ACT scores. What do bad ACT scores mean? Figure it out.

Is this a good enough apprenticeship for Gray to take over a pro-style, multiple scheme offense (which NFL QBs sometimes need years to master) as essentially a true freshman, with 9 months’ experience in college? Honestly?

Because here’s what we’ve got. A new offensive coordinator who requires his QBs to know 500 different hieroglyphics and decipher them, then make pre-snap reads, maybe audible, and then run the plays. Let’s not forget as well that by, say, week 4, Big Ten coaches know what’s coming, so you need to start self-scouting and adding to the playbook to counterscheme. With that in mind, the QB options are: (1) a fourth – year junior who is a two-year returning starter and was Second Team All-Big Ten, as well as an Academic All Big Ten performer in 2008; OR (2) a redshirt freshman who couldn’t qualify academically and who ran the spread as a HS quarterback for the equivalent of 2 years.

If the coaches are only sending Gray in with one play to run and then are yanking him out of the game, doesn’t that give you all a pretty clear indication as to the coaches’ confidence in his ability to understand the playbook and lead the team?

Don’t you all think that if Gray were better than Weber, that he’d be playing, especially after Weber lost his gravy train for the season?

Let’s not forget that most of the best QBs who were dual threat, such as Vince Young and Pat White, were given the luxury of a redshirt year to learn an offense and prepare for the job. Gray is essentially going through his true freshman season now, on the field.

If you all think he has the talents of, say, Terrelle Pryor in 2008, and are willing to watch Gray struggle a la Pryor in the passing game, well, then let’s throw him in. However, Gray does not have Beanie Wells in the backfield, he doesn’t have a dominant defense with Laurenaitis, Coleman, Jenkins, Heyward, Gibson and the others that gave Pryor such great field position and held the opposition to 10 ppg, and he doesn’t have the offensive line the Buckeyes had last year.

The Gophers would have lost to Michigan State had Gray been the starter, and that would have ensured, ironically, that Gray and the offense did not get the extra 15 practices that could help Gray in fact be the starter next year.

Bottom line: Gray’s not ready now. If he were, he’d be the starter. However, there’s many reasons why he’s not, and he’d only be set up for failure if he were.

by JG2112 on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions  

Boiled down, you seem to be saying that Gray shouldn’t start because A) you’ve determined he’s not smart and B) Brewster hasn’t given him an opportunity, therefore he’s not ready.

I’d have to guess that you have no idea how quickly Gray picks up an offense. And even if Fisch’s offense is cumbersome, isn’t it the responsibility of the coaches to put their talent in a position to succeed? If you’re right that Gray doesn’t know the offense well enough yet—and you have no proof of that mind you—then wouldn’t it be rationale for the coaching staff to give Gray a smaller playbook to work with? That might not be such a bad idea.

As for redshirting, I agree with you. But he didn’t redshirt. And now we are wasting a year—and two years if we go the path GN and you want—of eligibility.

Don’t you all think that if Gray were better than Weber, that he’d be playing, especially after Weber lost his gravy train for the season?

No. Absolutely not. Brewster believes, as GN noted, that Weber puts the team in the best position to win now. And Weber’s done the best he can, and that just might be the Little Ceasar’s Pizza Bowl — by the way, I’d kill for some Little Ceasars out in Virginia.

You’re also indeed correct that the Gophers don’t have Beanie Wells or an OSU defense to bail Gray out. The Buckeyes also didn’t have a team named the Jackrabbits on the schedule. What better game for a young QB to get started against?

And, yes, I’m ready for him to struggle. I’m ready for him to fail to recognize a blitz and hit his hot receiver and I’m ready for him to make freshman mistakes. That’s how quarterbacks learn.

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by PJS on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Ohio State

had Troy for Pryor’s first start:

http://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/fls/17300/stats/football/2008/04troy.htm

so yeah, it would be similar if Gray played this Saturday. I hope he plays the whole second half, at least.

You’re right, I have no idea how quick Gray can pick up an offense. However, there’s enough evidence out there (Gray had to, er, grayshirt because he was an academic non-qualifier, he played the equivalent of 2 seasons in HS, he was a spread QB, he played no football for an entire year) to infer he would have a quite significant learning curve after Fisch was hired on January 21, 2009. Not just the footballing side of learning a pro-style offense, but also, handling a full academic course load at a Big Ten school, living away from home, etc.

So, it’s reasonable to bring him along slowly. Don’t overburden him, make sure he’s putting academics first, understanding bits and pieces, and preparing to take over this offense in the future. The last thing I want to see in mid-February 2010 is, “MarQueis Gray has been kicked out of school due to academic issues.” I don’t want to relive the Tramaine Brock experience and lose another needed talent on the Gophers due to grades. So, easing him in, I believe, given his academic issues, is appropriate.

As for the responsibility of the coaches to put Gray in a position to succeed, well, I’ve been of the belief they abdicated that position, as to Gray, when they abandoned the spread upon Fisch’s hire. I hope they prove me wrong,

by JG2112 on Nov 10, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

As for redshirting, I agree with you. But he didn’t redshirt. And now we are wasting a year—and two years if we go the path GN and you want—of eligibility.

This has nothing to do with what I WANT. I wanted him to be redshirted and I WANT to win. I don’t have anything vested in who takes the snaps, but I want to win and Weber is our only chance of beating Iowa.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Nov 11, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Many things are wrong here

Why we stick with a QB because the coach trusts him and this isnt a video game makes no sense nobody thinks its a video game and why do you trust a guy who never wins. Point being you dont stick with what you know if what you know doesnt work thats the recipe for disaster. You talk about how tough this offense is too learn and the qb having to make reads at the line but when has weber ever made a good read at the line like never thats why he never sees the blitz and gets sacked all the time. Agreed that the offensive woes are not all webers fault we had a game the wrs looked awful the play calling has been bad and the oline is not that good but even when weber has time he still has trouble reading the defense. Hes had 1 good game all year and even then only completed 60% of his passes that just isnt good enough for a qb who cant make plays with his feet. Im sorry but its time for a change. All i want is for the gophers to win too and weber has yet to beat a rival, enough said about that. The qb for the future is Gray and if he gets game expierence now maybe next year or the year after we can be challenging for the Big 10 title. We never will with weber, ever ever, end of story.

by Jeffdu on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

That was about as well said as can be done. I was originally a bigtime supporter of the “start Gray” bandwagon, but you’ve brought up some excellent points. I had no idea he has such little overall experience. Makes you wonder where his lofty 4 star ranking even came from. He must have been lights out in the games he did play.

by Jayrome007 on Nov 11, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

who cares now?

What must be done eventually should be done immediately

   Jeremy Foley
   Florida AD

This is the perfect time to break him in. I rather prepare for next year.

by Garrick on Nov 10, 2009 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

You want

Jeremy Foley to play QB for Minnesota?

by JG2112 on Nov 10, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, a PJS post!

I don’t really care about Gopher football, but your basketball posts are missed, PJS.

Carry on :p

Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Eat babies! Badger babies!

by Felix on Nov 10, 2009 10:26 PM CST reply actions  

so jealous

I was SOO close to going. My best friend just moved out there, but my wife and I are going to NYC the week before so that trip got nixed.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Nov 11, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Next season

My question is, while there be a legit open QB competition come Spring 2010? I simply want the best player under center starting next Fall. That said, I agree with PJS, let’s get the kid out there now and see what he’s got. At a minimum he should be splitting snaps with Weber 40-60.

We all realize that Gray is our future for this program, and the best way for Brewster to make a mark on this program is to have MarQueis succeed. If he gives us a better chance to win than Weber next year, then let’s be glad we have an experienced vet QB waiting in the wings, should Gray get injured.

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by Gopher Bandanna Guy on Nov 11, 2009 1:56 AM CST reply actions  

while there be a legit open QB competition come Spring 2010?

Should there be? Yes. Will there be? No.

Brewster can’t openly say there is a QB competition without completely dumping Weber’s confidence. Telling a 3 year starter that he must compete for the job is basically just telling him you no longer want him as a starter but don’t want to risk the guy beneath him unexpectedly sucking. I have no problem if Brewster just comes out and says “Thanks, Adam. But you’ve lost your job due to ineffectiveness. We’re trying something else.”

by Jayrome007 on Nov 11, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Who cares

Happens every day in college football. Shit Tony Pike a senior was undefeated with Cincy and brought them to thier first BCS bowl last year. He gets hurt is out a few games and losses his starting position because of how good callos a sophomore played and this was with a successful qb not a struggling one. Truth be told you play to win and if what your doing isnt working you change it. If a junior senior is struggling its time to play the fresh sophomores that are thier backups for numerous reasons other then hoping it makes you better. It helps with expiereance next year, it helps with maturation and it gives your team a new attitude besides the fact that it might actually make you better now you just havent given it a chance to see if it works.

by Jeffdu on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Tony Pike lost his job???

Wow. I did not know that. How in the world is that possible? He was projected to be a potential 1st round pick. Was he sucking this year? Or is this Callos guy really that good?

by Jayrome007 on Nov 13, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

he should be splitting snaps with Weber 40-60.

Does this ever work? I think its pretty standard knowledge that the two QB thing isnt feasible due to leadership issues.

by Jayrome007 on Nov 11, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Football conundrum

this is a classic case where a great coaching staff would have solved this puzzle. I want Brewster and Fisch to succeed, but right now it just feels too much like a staff that is learning on-the-job. I can’t help but think what a veteran OC would have done in this situation.

by Texas Gopher on Nov 11, 2009 8:33 AM CST reply actions  

Dunbar would be starting Gray

No brainer. Gray is the better runner (and better passer, better leader, smarter QB etc etc)

by Garrick on Nov 11, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Really? How does anyone know all of this, other than the better runner assertion?

by JG2112 on Nov 11, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm just glad

Weber has received more votes than Goldy so far.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Nov 11, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions  

Enough....

about the nose diving football team and its quarterback troubles
We have Gopher basketball to concern ourselves with now.

by tubbytime20 on Nov 11, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions  

Weber was a freshman starter

And I dont see any Weber supporters bitching about the fact that Weber took a job from someone on the team that knew the playbook as well as he did if not better. Maybe Gray has a football intelligence beyond what we know. By the standards that GN has set you never play Kirby Puckett because he was young and didnt know the MLB game. You dont play Peterson because he was a young NFL RB…..Great players know how to play…bottom line and if Gray is as good as we hope that will show rather quickly….you can always go back to Weber if the wheels fall off in any of the games and you silence the rumblings to play Gray….we really have nothing to lose….all has already been lost by shitty coaching decisions to play Weber. And if anyone thinks some BS bowl game is really something to lose then you are short sighted. Playing Gray will put us in a cyrstal clear picture for next year. We either play him as a Soph or we Play weber as a senior. If Gray is not that good we have a year to develop the other QBs and recruit some more. By not playing gray we wasted a year of his talent with a we will never know just how good he is until we have some more meaningful games. I would rather know now what we are getting until after next season.

by DallasGopher on Nov 11, 2009 7:01 PM CST reply actions  

don't put words in my mouth

if you are going to completely misinterpret my logic, and taking it to an illogical extreme. I’m not saying start Weber no matter what any more than you would argue Gray should be starting if Weber was playing at an All-American level. I’m trying not to be thick-headed here, I wish you’d do the same.

If Kirby Pucket were inserted into the starting lineup straight out of high school after missing his senior year due to a broken leg and then sitting out a year not playing baseball, then I do not believe he should have played immediately.

Weber played as a freshman because he was the best option at the time, in fact I was against playing him as a freshman as well. Tony Mortenson never proved he could or should start in the Big Ten.

But think about it from the perspective of every single individual on that team and coaching staff. Not one of them is willing to throw away the season so that Gray can be better in a year or two. As long as Brewster believes Weber gives them their best chance to win he’ll start, and that will include next year as well.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Nov 12, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

How is it straight in

We have 2 games left and Gray is not exactly a true freshman he is more then a year removed from High School and physically more mature because of it. We saw what Weber had for 10 games and it was 1 good one. Thats not enough is it. Look at Webers record his stats watch the games the guy should not be starting. He is an avg MAC level QB not a starting Big 10 QB. Gray has more talent does he not? Weber started as a Freshman did he not? I swear Minnesota is the only program that plays upper classmen because they have more quote on quote knowledge of the game. How is a freshman or sophomore supposed to learn if they dont play. The point is you look for progress not regress you do not stick with what is not working.

by Jeffdu on Nov 12, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

look at Juice Williams (much more highly touted than Gray). The kid played immediately and has been more up and down than Weber. Think maybe sitting and learning might have helped him to be a quarterback rather than an athlete? Look at all talent around him and as a senior he is one of the major reasons the Illini struggled so much this year. I don’t want a running back playing QB who can’t actually play QB, let the kid learn, throwing into the fire doesn’t always mean he’ll be better for it in the end.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Nov 12, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions  

Juice ??

He has beaten Weber 1.5 times(was injured in this last game) as I recall…maybe 3 times…..so I hardly think that is a solid argument.

Again part of your argument for Weber is he knows the playbook or offense…however it was put. But I am 1000% sure that Mortenson knew it better than Weber. AW played because he was the better athlete and now we are in the same position. Weber had a chance…MANY chances…Give Gray a chance and shut me up…until that day I will not blindly follow a coaching staff that has never done shit. Ive never coached a college game in my life and I am on equal ground with this staff…lol….If you cant take me calling a spade a spade dont get too upset. Its nothing personal, Im on the other side of the fan base…I dont put up with the weak a$$ed wimpy apologetic, “We are the only team with issues and that why we cant win” Illinois is a shambles and we lose to them…that should piss you off and look for where we can make changes….anyone can call out the inadequate parts of the team…but then to start making points of why we should accept these inadequate performances is not my cup of tea.

by DallasGopher on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

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