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Selection Sunday Conversations

Judgment day is upon us. Have Tubby Smith's Golden Gophers done enough to be included in the Field of 65? We'll know early this evening. Use this thread to discuss the day's games, the committee's decisions, bubbles that burst and any match-ups.

Most of the experts have the Gophers in between a 10 and 12 seed. But two years removed from the Monson/Molinari era, having this young team in the NCAA Tournament would be an obvious step in the right direction.

There's one game to watch closely today that could have an impact on Minnesota's inclusion in the tournament. The SEC probably only has two teams that will receive an at-large bid--Tennessee and LSU. But Tennessee plays Mississippi State in the SEC Final this afternoon. If Mississippi wins, the Bulldogs will take a spot away from someone.

Other topics to discuss:

  • Digger Phelps' color coordinated highlighters. And why is he and the other ESPN talking heads obsessed with Arizona?
  • The Big Ten Championship between Ohio State--wow, did they play well yesterday--and Purdue.
  • How Creighton can actually make it after being blown out in their conference tournament and playing a horrible non-conference schedule.
  • Do you miss Billy Packer calling games for CBS? Is Clark Kellogg an improvement?
  • I feel bad for Penn State. Talor Battle is great. Love him. Jamelle Cornley is too. And they finished 10-8 in the Big Ten and are probably the one Big Ten bubble team that doesn't make it. But looking at their non-conference slate, perhaps the most impressive win was at ACC cellar-dwellar Georgia Tech. They lost to Temple and Rhode Island, have three Big Ten wins against Indiana/Iowa and a loss to Iowa.
  • How big was that win against Louisville? Would bracketoligists have the Gophers on the outside looking in if they hadn't upset Pitino and company in Arizona?

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your last point

we wouldn’t be sniffing the bubble without that win.

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PSU

They also went 4-2 during the season against MSU, Ill and Pur…but yeah, the OOC sucks. And, according to the guys on ESPN, those quality wins against the top three teams in the BT don’t count b/c “they were all in conference!”

BSD

by Kevin HD on Mar 15, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

interesting

low estimation of the big 10 could actually help the Gophers since PSU’s in-conference wins are undervalued

by plinytheelder on Mar 15, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lunardi has the Gophers as "Last 4 in"

Link here.

He’s had us as a lock for quite some time.

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How is Wisconsin not in the last 4 in?

They’re a 12-seed while we’re an 11 and we swept them in the regular season. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t be behind us in the brackets.

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by Felix on Mar 15, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They swept Michigan. They have a top 5 schedule strength in the country I believe.

They also played well down the stretch unlike the Gophers.

IDK, just play devil’s advocate.

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

May have been a seed switch for bracketing purposes

And the head-to-head really doesn’t matter unless you’re going down to two teams for the final spot (and maybe not even then). Besides, someone has to be behind a team they swept – Michigan swept you, Wisconsin swept Michigan, you swept Wisconsin.

by SpartanDan on Mar 15, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Discussion Topic

Okay, lets assume me make the field -

My impression is that the “best” we could hope for from this team is a Sweet 16 appearance.

Which seed would give us the best chance of that assuming our choices are 9,10,11 or 12? I’d actually think a #9 seed is worse than the others as you get a #1 in round 2.

Thoughts?

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by FishingMN on Mar 15, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree. I'd love a 11 seed against, say, a 6 seed Tennessee.

Then, if you win, you avoid facing a top 8 team in the country.

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're in

Minnesota will be an 11 seed….the committee has already figured out the 65 teams. The only team that could mess that up is Mississippi State and they are losing early on to Tennessee (well, it’s 15-13 now).

I wouldn’t mind being an 11. Usually the 5s and 6s are teams struggling down the stretch. To get past weekend No. 1, you would have to beat a 6 and a 3.

Then again, I see us as a one-and-done. We don’t have enough offense to keep up with most teams. We showed that Friday.

by HutchLeaderGuy on Mar 15, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Other brackets

The Bracket Project: 10 seed.

Bracketology 101: 10 seed.

Crashing the Dance: 9 seed.

Jerry Palm: 10 seed.

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Creighton

9-5 against the RPI top 100. That’s how they get in.

by SpartanDan on Mar 15, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Creighton resume. .... (think this is current)

Creighton
RPI 39
SOS 106
Record 26-7
Conference Record (9) 15-5 (Tie for first)
Record against top 25 1-0
Record against 26-50 2-2
Record against 51-100 6-3
Record against 100-200 7-2
Record against 200+ 10-0
L10 games 9-1

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everybody's resume has some warts

That’s why they’re bubble teams and not locks. But you put up a record that good against the top 100, and a winning record against the top 50 (even if it is just 3-2), that’s good enough for me. I think they’re one of the last six to make it (along with Minnesota and Wisconsin), but they get in.

by SpartanDan on Mar 15, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been disappointed with Minnesota teams for so many years...

I think the universe will crash in on us if we don’t make the NIT! LOL

by COJOMAY on Mar 15, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't figure out what would be better...

Getting to the “big dance” and losing in the first round
or
getting in the NIT and crushing Kentucky in the first round.

by COJOMAY on Mar 15, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some of the commenters at Rocky Top Talk

are claiming SEC conspiracy today with the refs to get the SEC 3 bids.

Mississippi State looks to be on the verge of bursting someone’s bubble.

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that is a great conspiracy

The Creighton vs. St. Mary’s debate might now be moot. What I’ve been hearing today the final bubble spot was between those two teams.

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd plead incompetence rather than conspiracy

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen both teams actively trying to lose in the last 30 seconds and the refs trying to help both of them achieve it.

by SpartanDan on Mar 15, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listening to a Kentucky basketball radio show this morning...

And they were saying that they thought John Calipari would be the next Wildcats basketball coach. I don’t think any coach wants that Kentucky job right now with the fan pressure there. But more than that they said the Big Ten would only get 4 teams in the NCAA tournament and that Minnesota was NIT bound. I had to laugh.

by COJOMAY on Mar 15, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So sick of it

I can’t stand all the hatred for the Big 10. I just got done reading a bunch of stuff on espn.com and watched my recorded episode of the Sports Reporters that aired this morning. Mike Lupica (who is usually annoying anyways) said the Big 10 is the most unwatchable conference in the country.

I just really want the Big 10 to do well to shut all of these people up. I just hope we don’t lay an egg. I still think we get at least seven teams and PSU just might sneak in with their a 10-8 record in the second best RPI conference in the country.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It just that everyone sees the scores and assumes it is like Big Ten Football

They don’t watch the big ten, but unwatchable is SEC Basketball

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by duckman86 on Mar 15, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tubby's name helps

Obviously Tubby has helped our favorite basketball program in a lot of ways, but perhaps the most important is his name recognition. I think he helps us make the tourney on his name alone.

by mrclash on Mar 15, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on already!

Quit dragging this out on me!

by GreasyLlama on Mar 15, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

3 Big East teams as #1 seeds. Not sure how I feel about that.

But glad Memphis isn’t a 1 seed.

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, tough to figure this deal out

who are the two’s: Memphis, MI State, Duke, Oklahoma?

by GreasyLlama on Mar 15, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Close between those two

Kansas did win the Big XII regular season over Oklahoma, which is why I’d give them the nod.

by SpartanDan on Mar 15, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi everyone....

…..what’s Arizona doing in?

Just got done cleaning up the puke after hearing Coach K talk.

His team is a bunch of champions blah blah blah….

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

holy NDSU

heading to Mpls is good for the U, the Bison fans will show up in droves

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This Mpls bracket....

..will sell out. Kansas, USC, Michigan State, NDSU. Wow, there’s power there. I may have to go. Hello Song Girls!

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a wild world....

…Within the hour I’ll probably say UConn, UCLA and Minnesota in the same breath and will enjoy it!

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NDSU

will bring as many fans as the rest of them.

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone else nervous?

I wasn’t but until I see their name, i am nervous

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What did I miss this year?

How is Utah a 5 seed? Are they really two seed levels below Kansas?

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

Arizona playing Utah is very very very suspect

by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nervous

But I like seeing NDSU in Minneapolis. That is great for them. I hope they pull off the shocker. I think they deserved a #13, but at that point, it isn’t a big deal. But not sure if they will be able to pull it off against KU.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Utah is very good

They did lose to a D2 team, but they have some impressive wins, if I recall correctly. #5 does seem a little high, though.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I did not take notice of them....

..this year…that’s not their fault though.

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OSU

Gets to play at Dayton. Not fair.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

really?

p10 is weak this year.

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets be this 10

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just shook up...

…when I heard Gumbel say “Golden”

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nope

Maryland a 10? that’s the oddest one I’ve seen yet

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nope

Maryland…dammit

by GoAUpher on Mar 15, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yet again...

…when I heard “golden” for Marquette….

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is crap....

..I’m not sure this is good news….cMON

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Marland made it we HAVE to

their RPI was 54 and ours is 42

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm very, very scared right now

Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Eat babies! Badger babies!

by Felix on Mar 15, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, Penn State is going to be the odd man out

(I hope)

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If one has to left out

it should be them. But man, they can play with the big boys, too.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe we'll get a 9 seed

and all be surprised. Although I think I’d prefer a 10 or 11

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fully agreed

Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Eat babies! Badger babies!

by Felix on Mar 15, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

this show is made for DVR…except its something you just have to watch as it happens…

by GoAUpher on Mar 15, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh-oh

Was thinking Kansas City or Boise would be places they might send us….uh oh

by HutchLeaderGuy on Mar 15, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm still pissed

That OSU gets to play in Dayton.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bubble teams seen so far:

Arizona, Maryland, Dayton. I think the Big Ten’s fighting with Creighton and St. Mary’s for three spots.

by SpartanDan on Mar 15, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DIdn't lunardi

hit em all last year?

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Okla St - Tennessee

is a good tourney….

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

there is wisconsin

by HutchLeaderGuy on Mar 15, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck. Wisconsin.

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ouch

a 12 for wisconsin

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Wisconsin is in and we aren't

Something very bad is going to happen.

Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Kill, maim, pillage, burn! Eat babies! Badger babies!

by Felix on Mar 15, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so nervous

moving towards pissed

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

go Binghampton

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MINNEOSTOA!

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bring on the Longhorns and Duke!

by HutchLeaderGuy on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we made it

and we’ll get to knock Duke out!

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We beat Texas

and get run by Duke….

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

10 seed

gotta love it. Texas doesn’t scare me.

by GreasyLlama on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by Felix on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they do have offense issues

that is very good news…better to play texas than florida state

by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What a dilema for me!!!!

Well, not really. I’m maroon and gold all the way. But I start school at Texas this fall. I’ve been wearing burnt orange along with maroon and gold all week. I’m putting that burnt orange and all Longhorns gear away for a while.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct what I said earlier.....

…….I am saying Duke UCLA and Minnesota in the same breath!!!!

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And we are 2 seeds better than Wisconsin!!!

So we weren’t all that close to the bubble.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thursday day game please….got Final Five tickets Thursday night

by HutchLeaderGuy on Mar 15, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so excited

bring on Burnt Orange Nation and the Longhorns!!

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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rencito

I can’t believe you even have to debate between the two schools!

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Imagine the debates....

..he gets into with himself over Mack Brown v Tim Brewster…..TREMENDOUS!

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It really isn't

But I had a rooting interest in Texas. Not anymore. None whatsoever.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

much better than Mich

by GoAUpher on Mar 15, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

to root for that is

Mich is a better team IMO

by GoAUpher on Mar 15, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what a shock

that UNC and Duke are both in Greensboro. They must be happy that UNC Greensboro always hosts…..

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There's the Wolverines.

Would ya’ll have rather faced TExas or Clemson?

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Texas....

….the ACC is AWESOME

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bye bye...

..Paterno kitties….

by JG2112 on Mar 15, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gophers fans travelling...

Are going to have one hell of a tough ticket. Both Duke and UNC fans buying up loads of tickets.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why is FSU so highly regarded?

Didn’t Northwestern work them?

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they got wins in the ACC

the conference that plays zero defense…I think Michigan or Ohio State would destroy FSU.

by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no creighton and no st. mary's

they must have listened to digger and hubert this morning

by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but AZ is still a big stretch.

Is that all Lunardi missed? AZ?

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean...

…they deserved a #5 seed, but that doesn’t mean Wisconsin is in trouble.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lunardi

Had Creighton instead of AZ. Think that’s all he missed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology?id=3232345

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by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I went to Minnesota and my brother went to Texas. This should be fun.

by sportsnight on Mar 15, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

B10 games

Minny – Texas
Wisc – Florida State
Michigan – Clemson
Purdue – Northern Iowa
Illinois – Western Ky
MSU – Robert Morris
Ohio State – Sienna

What are the predictions on these games. Which teams are most likely to lose? After the top 5 or 6 teams, are any teams really that much better than other ones?

by GreasyLlama on Mar 15, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Minny – Texas
Wisc – Florida State
Michigan – Clemson
Purdue – Northern Iowa
Illinois – Western Ky (could go either way but I’m going WKU)
MSU – Robert Morris
Ohio State – Sienna

by GoAUpher on Mar 15, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really wish

St. Mary’s had made it.

by rencito on Mar 15, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Common opponents...

Texas lost to Michigan State by 4 and beat Wisconsin by 5.

by COJOMAY on Mar 15, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Go over to Gopher Hole

And congratulate Selection Sunday a.k.a Hodger

He hit all 34 at-large teams this year.

by Ski U Mah Gopher on Mar 15, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tough game with Texas...

A. J. Abrams is one of the best 3 point shooters in the country so they will have to do a much better job of defending the perimeter. We need to get the big guys in the paint going.

by COJOMAY on Mar 15, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YEAH BABY!!!!!!!

TUBBYS IN THE BIG DANCE!!!!!!! GO GOPHERS!!!!!!!!

by Tony_O on Mar 15, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetically speaking

if we beat Texas in the first round…Then we probably get none other than Coach Mike Mike Krzyzewski and the Duke Blue Devils..Unless they get miraculously upset by Binghampton.

by Tony_O on Mar 15, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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