Selection Sunday Conversations
by PJS on Mar 15, 2009 11:34 AM CDT
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Judgment day is upon us. Have Tubby Smith's Golden Gophers done enough to be included in the Field of 65? We'll know early this evening. Use this thread to discuss the day's games, the committee's decisions, bubbles that burst and any match-ups.
Most of the experts have the Gophers in between a 10 and 12 seed. But two years removed from the Monson/Molinari era, having this young team in the NCAA Tournament would be an obvious step in the right direction.
There's one game to watch closely today that could have an impact on Minnesota's inclusion in the tournament. The SEC probably only has two teams that will receive an at-large bid--Tennessee and LSU. But Tennessee plays Mississippi State in the SEC Final this afternoon. If Mississippi wins, the Bulldogs will take a spot away from someone.
Other topics to discuss:
- Digger Phelps' color coordinated highlighters. And why is he and the other ESPN talking heads obsessed with Arizona?
- The Big Ten Championship between Ohio State--wow, did they play well yesterday--and Purdue.
- How Creighton can actually make it after being blown out in their conference tournament and playing a horrible non-conference schedule.
- Do you miss Billy Packer calling games for CBS? Is Clark Kellogg an improvement?
- I feel bad for Penn State. Talor Battle is great. Love him. Jamelle Cornley is too. And they finished 10-8 in the Big Ten and are probably the one Big Ten bubble team that doesn't make it. But looking at their non-conference slate, perhaps the most impressive win was at ACC cellar-dwellar Georgia Tech. They lost to Temple and Rhode Island, have three Big Ten wins against Indiana/Iowa and a loss to Iowa.
- How big was that win against Louisville? Would bracketoligists have the Gophers on the outside looking in if they hadn't upset Pitino and company in Arizona?
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your last point
we wouldn’t be sniffing the bubble without that win.
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PSU
They also went 4-2 during the season against MSU, Ill and Pur…but yeah, the OOC sucks. And, according to the guys on ESPN, those quality wins against the top three teams in the BT don’t count b/c “they were all in conference!”
BSD
interesting
low estimation of the big 10 could actually help the Gophers since PSU’s in-conference wins are undervalued
by plinytheelder on Mar 15, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Lunardi has the Gophers as "Last 4 in"
He’s had us as a lock for quite some time.
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How is Wisconsin not in the last 4 in?
They’re a 12-seed while we’re an 11 and we swept them in the regular season. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t be behind us in the brackets.
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They swept Michigan. They have a top 5 schedule strength in the country I believe.
They also played well down the stretch unlike the Gophers.
IDK, just play devil’s advocate.
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May have been a seed switch for bracketing purposes
And the head-to-head really doesn’t matter unless you’re going down to two teams for the final spot (and maybe not even then). Besides, someone has to be behind a team they swept – Michigan swept you, Wisconsin swept Michigan, you swept Wisconsin.
Discussion Topic
Okay, lets assume me make the field -
My impression is that the “best” we could hope for from this team is a Sweet 16 appearance.
Which seed would give us the best chance of that assuming our choices are 9,10,11 or 12? I’d actually think a #9 seed is worse than the others as you get a #1 in round 2.
Thoughts?
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I agree. I'd love a 11 seed against, say, a 6 seed Tennessee.
Then, if you win, you avoid facing a top 8 team in the country.
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We're in
Minnesota will be an 11 seed….the committee has already figured out the 65 teams. The only team that could mess that up is Mississippi State and they are losing early on to Tennessee (well, it’s 15-13 now).
I wouldn’t mind being an 11. Usually the 5s and 6s are teams struggling down the stretch. To get past weekend No. 1, you would have to beat a 6 and a 3.
Then again, I see us as a one-and-done. We don’t have enough offense to keep up with most teams. We showed that Friday.
by HutchLeaderGuy on Mar 15, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions
Other brackets
The Bracket Project: 10 seed.
Bracketology 101: 10 seed.
Crashing the Dance: 9 seed.
Jerry Palm: 10 seed.
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Creighton
9-5 against the RPI top 100. That’s how they get in.
Creighton resume. .... (think this is current)
Creighton
RPI 39
SOS 106
Record 26-7
Conference Record (9) 15-5 (Tie for first)
Record against top 25 1-0
Record against 26-50 2-2
Record against 51-100 6-3
Record against 100-200 7-2
Record against 200+ 10-0
L10 games 9-1
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Everybody's resume has some warts
That’s why they’re bubble teams and not locks. But you put up a record that good against the top 100, and a winning record against the top 50 (even if it is just 3-2), that’s good enough for me. I think they’re one of the last six to make it (along with Minnesota and Wisconsin), but they get in.
I've been disappointed with Minnesota teams for so many years...
I think the universe will crash in on us if we don’t make the NIT! LOL
I can't figure out what would be better...
Getting to the “big dance” and losing in the first round
or
getting in the NIT and crushing Kentucky in the first round.
Some of the commenters at Rocky Top Talk
are claiming SEC conspiracy today with the refs to get the SEC 3 bids.
Mississippi State looks to be on the verge of bursting someone’s bubble.
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that is a great conspiracy
The Creighton vs. St. Mary’s debate might now be moot. What I’ve been hearing today the final bubble spot was between those two teams.
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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd plead incompetence rather than conspiracy
I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen both teams actively trying to lose in the last 30 seconds and the refs trying to help both of them achieve it.
Mississippi state wins. Someone's bubble just exploded.
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Listening to a Kentucky basketball radio show this morning...
And they were saying that they thought John Calipari would be the next Wildcats basketball coach. I don’t think any coach wants that Kentucky job right now with the fan pressure there. But more than that they said the Big Ten would only get 4 teams in the NCAA tournament and that Minnesota was NIT bound. I had to laugh.
So sick of it
I can’t stand all the hatred for the Big 10. I just got done reading a bunch of stuff on espn.com and watched my recorded episode of the Sports Reporters that aired this morning. Mike Lupica (who is usually annoying anyways) said the Big 10 is the most unwatchable conference in the country.
I just really want the Big 10 to do well to shut all of these people up. I just hope we don’t lay an egg. I still think we get at least seven teams and PSU just might sneak in with their a 10-8 record in the second best RPI conference in the country.
It just that everyone sees the scores and assumes it is like Big Ten Football
They don’t watch the big ten, but unwatchable is SEC Basketball
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Uh-oh. It's almost time. Nervous here. I could see us getting screwed today. It's the curse of being a fan of MInnesota sports.
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Tubby's name helps
Obviously Tubby has helped our favorite basketball program in a lot of ways, but perhaps the most important is his name recognition. I think he helps us make the tourney on his name alone.
3 Big East teams as #1 seeds. Not sure how I feel about that.
But glad Memphis isn’t a 1 seed.
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Close between those two
Kansas did win the Big XII regular season over Oklahoma, which is why I’d give them the nod.
Hi everyone....
…..what’s Arizona doing in?
Just got done cleaning up the puke after hearing Coach K talk.
His team is a bunch of champions blah blah blah….
NDS in minneapolis is interesting
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions
since the U is the host
how do ticket sales affect them? Does the U get some of the gate? Concessions? etc?
holy NDSU
heading to Mpls is good for the U, the Bison fans will show up in droves
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This Mpls bracket....
..will sell out. Kansas, USC, Michigan State, NDSU. Wow, there’s power there. I may have to go. Hello Song Girls!
I can't believe you said NDSU, MSU, USC, Kansas and power in the same thought. NDSU. God.
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It's a wild world....
…Within the hour I’ll probably say UConn, UCLA and Minnesota in the same breath and will enjoy it!
NDSU
will bring as many fans as the rest of them.
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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
anyone else nervous?
I wasn’t but until I see their name, i am nervous
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yeah
Arizona playing Utah is very very very suspect
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
Nervous
But I like seeing NDSU in Minneapolis. That is great for them. I hope they pull off the shocker. I think they deserved a #13, but at that point, it isn’t a big deal. But not sure if they will be able to pull it off against KU.
Utah is very good
They did lose to a D2 team, but they have some impressive wins, if I recall correctly. #5 does seem a little high, though.
Good, but probably the worst 5 seed? Meaning Arizona is the best 12?
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high opinion of big 12
these decision makers are morons
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
really?
p10 is weak this year.
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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
That 13 there for Mississippi State. .... perhaps our spot.
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nope
Maryland a 10? that’s the oddest one I’ve seen yet
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gophers beat 6 league champions...
that has to be enough
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions
Oh God. Wanted to face Marquette there. A regional intriguing match-up.
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Doing Boise right now
USU the 2nd 11 seed
by Ski U Mah Gopher on Mar 15, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
No Michigan, Wisconsin, MN or PSU yet? All 4 won't make it.
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i have a familiar sinking feeling...
either that, or we’ll get seeded higher than expected. Beating the Top #1 seed better count for something.
familiar in that you're a fan of MN sports and we always find a way to get screwed?
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If Marland made it we HAVE to
their RPI was 54 and ours is 42
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I'm very, very scared right now
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I think the 3 that swept each other should make it
Gophers, Badgers, Wolverines
by Ski U Mah Gopher on Mar 15, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions
yes, Penn State is going to be the odd man out
(I hope)
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by GopherNation on Mar 15, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Maryland also played well down the stretch. Not so much for us.
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how has momentum played out in past selections?
Is that usually a big thing? I can’t say I’ve paid much attention to that in the selection process in the past
maybe we'll get a 9 seed
and all be surprised. Although I think I’d prefer a 10 or 11
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Uh-oh
Was thinking Kansas City or Boise would be places they might send us….uh oh
Bubble teams seen so far:
Arizona, Maryland, Dayton. I think the Big Ten’s fighting with Creighton and St. Mary’s for three spots.
If Wisconsin is in and we aren't
Something very bad is going to happen.
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they do have offense issues
that is very good news…better to play texas than florida state
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions
What a dilema for me!!!!
Well, not really. I’m maroon and gold all the way. But I start school at Texas this fall. I’ve been wearing burnt orange along with maroon and gold all week. I’m putting that burnt orange and all Longhorns gear away for a while.
so excited
bring on Burnt Orange Nation and the Longhorns!!
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they won't put gophers vs texas on primetime tv
I wouldn’t do that
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions
Rencito
I can’t believe you even have to debate between the two schools!
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You can root for AJ Abrams
but then nobodye else
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions
i would rather play Tenn or LSU
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions
to root for that is
Mich is a better team IMO
what a shock
that UNC and Duke are both in Greensboro. They must be happy that UNC Greensboro always hosts…..
michigan has to be higher than gophers
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions
There's the Wolverines.
Would ya’ll have rather faced TExas or Clemson?
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clemson...clemson can not shoot and they play man to man
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
Gophers fans travelling...
Are going to have one hell of a tough ticket. Both Duke and UNC fans buying up loads of tickets.
they got wins in the ACC
the conference that plays zero defense…I think Michigan or Ohio State would destroy FSU.
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
no creighton and no st. mary's
they must have listened to digger and hubert this morning
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, but AZ is still a big stretch.
Is that all Lunardi missed? AZ?
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Lunardi
Had Creighton instead of AZ. Think that’s all he missed.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology?id=3232345
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Can't wait for the Kentucky newspapers writing Tubby in, UK not.
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who does Eric Maynor play for? Espn made a big deal about him...VCU or Akron?
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 15, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions
B10 games
Minny – Texas
Wisc – Florida State
Michigan – Clemson
Purdue – Northern Iowa
Illinois – Western Ky
MSU – Robert Morris
Ohio State – Sienna
What are the predictions on these games. Which teams are most likely to lose? After the top 5 or 6 teams, are any teams really that much better than other ones?
Minny – Texas
Wisc – Florida State
Michigan – Clemson
Purdue – Northern Iowa
Illinois – Western Ky (could go either way but I’m going WKU)
MSU – Robert Morris
Ohio State – Sienna
A lot of the comments at Burnt Orange Nation are writing the Gophers off.
http://www.burntorangenation.com
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What would you expect?
Cheering section?
-rBr-
by run Bevo run on Mar 15, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd expect fans of a 7 seed to concentrate on what's in front of them. But look past us ......
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So in your world 7 seeds dont look past 10 seeds?
Your record and your history make it easy to overlook you, I’m sorry. Both of our teams are underwhelming.
-rBr-
by run Bevo run on Mar 15, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Go over to Gopher Hole
And congratulate Selection Sunday a.k.a Hodger
He hit all 34 at-large teams this year.
by Ski U Mah Gopher on Mar 15, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions
Tough game with Texas...
A. J. Abrams is one of the best 3 point shooters in the country so they will have to do a much better job of defending the perimeter. We need to get the big guys in the paint going.
Congrats, Gophers!
Back in The Dance.
Get used to it.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 15, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions
Hypothetically speaking
if we beat Texas in the first round…Then we probably get none other than Coach Mike Mike Krzyzewski and the Duke Blue Devils..Unless they get miraculously upset by Binghampton.
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