Memorandum to Big Ten Basketball Players
MEMORANDUM
To: Big Ten Basketball Players
From: Concerned Fans
Subject: No Respect
Date: March 16, 2009
Dear Big Ten basketball star,
It's time to stand up and tell all of the two-bit talking heads ENOUGH ALREADY! From CBS' Digger Phelps to SI's Andy Glockner and just about every overworked and underpaid columnist and blogger in the country, they all spout the same foolish talking points.
They say with bravado, while sometimes waving magic markers that match their ties at you, that Big Ten basketball is no good. The pace of play isn't fast enough, you're told. Teams actually milk the shot clock (blashphemy, don't tell the advertisers!!!). The scores aren't high enough. Most coaches preach defense before offense, which is obviously insane because we can all see how well David Stern and the NBA has fared with its run and shoot version of basketball.
And then, simply by looking at the score (thanks a lot, Illinois and Penn State), the gatekeepers of opinion tell you that the players in the conference just aren't good. OK, sure.
Have they actually watched Kevin Coble play? How about Evan Turner? Raymar Morgan? Have they seen Damian Johnson take over a game without scoring? Have they seen Joe Krabbenhoft set the best pick in the country? How about Wisconsin senior Marcus Landry do just about everything on the floor? Have the pundits watched Kalin Lucas run around like a posessed lightning-bug? How about Purdue's Chris Kramer, JaJuan Johnon or a healthy Robbie Hummel? Let's not forget Talor Battle and Jamelle Cornley, the best one-two duo Penn State has ever seen.
Big Ten alums know that these are good players. We know these are sound and talented teams. But you get no credit. You didn't even get credit for having just about the best non-conference season possible. For the record, here's a snippet of who you beat: Oklahoma State, Texas, Vanderbilt, Tulsa, Missouri, Boston College, Davidson, Miami, Notre Dame, Butler, Virginia Tech, Louisville, UCLA, Duke, and Florida State.
But as Phelps, Glockner, Hubert Davis or just about anyone else would have it, because the Big Ten prides defense over offense, and because scores are lower, well, that means there is just no chance you could beat these same teams later this week.
So, our message to you is this: Put a chip on your shoudler and change that perception this weekend. You're good and great players. And you can beat just about anyone that is put in front of you. Let's shove the mainstream media's talking points back at them, shall we?
Good luck!
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ahem...
And of course the best one-two punch in the conference – Harris and Sims.
by Maize n Brew Dave on Mar 16, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who?
I thought Novak was Michigan’s best player
what you say here can, and will, be used against you
by GopherNation on Mar 16, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I figured OPS would be the first one to harp on me for excluding Iowa players!
But, yes, Harris and Sims are very, very good.
Maroon and Gold Headquarters: The Daily Gopher
by PJS on Mar 16, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Cleveland State coach gave the Big 10 some love today
he said that his team needs to play like a big 10 team in order to beat Wake Forest….I wonder if ESPN enjoyed that tid-bit.
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Almost all day today I've been on the road...
…and I’ve been listening to sports radio from Cincinnati. At the news break every half hour the lead story is that the Big East got 7 teams into the NCAA. WOW!
But not a mention of the Big Ten’s seven teams.
by COJOMAY on Mar 16, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank ESPN
They promote the heck out of the Big East because they get all Big East games.
Maroon and Gold Headquarters: The Daily Gopher
by PJS on Mar 16, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Even Bob Knight
Says the ACC and Big East are “far and away” superior conferences, and we shouldnt have this many teams in the field
Hailtotheorange.com
by Joe Kutsunis on Mar 16, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well getting smoked in that acc challenge every single year can't help
I’m sort of playing the devil’s advocate here but if I lived in NC or VA I’d be skeptical of the big 10 too
by plinytheelder on Mar 16, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was more thinking about losing every single year
I’m too lazy to look but haven’t we also lost 3-8 or 2-9 or something some years? Gotta earn respect with wins
by plinytheelder on Mar 17, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about Kansas for teams that have been beaten,
Michigan State took them down pretty solidly
by sparto on Mar 16, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a PU Fan
I agree with this article dont forget E’Twaun (For Three Twaun) Moore
And the Big Ten Shall Represent while we might only get 2 out of the first weekend but they will go far in the tourney.
by Delaware Boiler on Mar 16, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Got a question for all of you...
I can watch the Gopher games by buying the Direct TV Mega March Madness for $69. But I may only see one game. Pretty pricey. I doubt the Big Ten Channel will carry it. Do you suppose it will be on JustinTV? Or ESPN? Or CBS? Just wondering how you guys plan to watch the game. Living in Kentucky and being a Gopher’s fan makes it tough.
by COJOMAY on Mar 16, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
March Madness on Demand on CBSSports.com is probably your best bet. CBS is the exclusive provider of March Madness coverage so it won’t be on any other channel.
by Cory Williams on Mar 16, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gophers MIGHT be on
The other three games at that time will be…
Michigan / Clemson
Akron / Gonzaga
American / Villanova
No SEC games. There is a chance that the Gopher game may be the national game and in kentucky there might be more draw to Tubby than Mich/Clem.
check your local listings
what you say here can, and will, be used against you
by GopherNation on Mar 16, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks guys!
The CBS deal is free unless you want HD. I appreciate your responses.
by COJOMAY on Mar 16, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points but...
Though your defense of the Big 10 is admirable and I agree with you that the commentary from the “experts” is really annoying about how bad our conference is, there is no doubt that the quality of talent is better in the Big East and ACC. They are superior athletically and have better offensive skills than we do. A few years ago when Ohio State had Oden, Conley, Cook they were scoring games in the high 60’s-70’s except two games against Wisconsin and NW—-the reason for the high scoring was they had a great team with great talents.
With that being said, we will do respectable in the tournament this year as always because we are committed to playing tough defense and can execute in the half-court which you need to do in the tournament. This style wins games as evidenced by the top wins you pointed out. It ain’t pretty but it wins games.
by dukeboybg on Mar 16, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big East yes, ACC maybe.
I will grant that the Big East is far and away the best conference in the country. No question.
But the ACC? They have always dominated the ACC-Big Ten Challenge, but this year, in the supposed down year for the Big 10, they won by one game. And that challenge also saw MSU get blown out without the services of Goran Suton, who is pretty much a double-double waiting to happen.
Michigan, our 7th place team, split two games with Duke.
Part of the reason for the conference’s low scoring is the officiating. Jay Bilas points this out to his credit. Big Ten teams are allowed to play more physical both in the paint and on the perimeter. I wonder how well a team like Clemson would have done in the Big Ten.
Maroon and Gold Headquarters: The Daily Gopher
by PJS on Mar 16, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big East Analysis...
Pitt, Uconn and Louisville = the real deal
The rest of the big east is either much like the big ten in terms of potential or much worse. Villanova is vastly overrated…If you watch villanova this tournament please pay attention to the fact that they take horrible shots and that Scottie Reynolds turns the ball over far too much for a point guard…and what’s worse is that Jay Wright NEVER holds him accountable.
Marquette is much more respectable than villanova. But, with the injury to James they are merely as good as Ohio State.
West Virginia is much like Big 10 teams…they play great D and are respectable offensively.
But, there is far too much hype for Syracuse…they have Routins and Flynn…except for them there team is not that good. There best win in the big east until the conference tournament was against WVU at home. They beat Memphis in the non-conference, but memphis would destroy syracuse now. You must also keep in mind that they have always played great at madison square garden, but they do not fare so well in the tourney BECAUSE they play bad defense. And, considering Devendorf’s continuous punkish actions in the conference tournament (screaming into the stands, posing after shots) confirms my original belief about Jim Boeheim’s basketball teams….they are allowed to be immature and unaccountable.
I will admit that the big east is very excellent at the top (PItt, Uconn, Louisville) but they have like 15 teams…or is it 16 teams, I forget. They are always going to have a good and very deep conference….the big 10 had one weak link this year…indiana….the big east had four weak teams….rutgers, seton hall, st. johns, s.florida. (note: half of syracuse’s wins in conference play came from the beforementioned teddy bears.
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 16, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
**All but one of Syracuse's wins in Big East came Rutgers, SH, SJ, SF and Providence
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 16, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should do some better research on Syracuse
We beat ND, WVU, Cincinnati, and G-Town in the Big East, then beat UConn and WVU in the BET. But yeah, you didn’t care to look at that.
We beat Memphis in Memphis with no Eric Devendorf, and you calling Rautins our second best player besides Flynn shows your ignorance.
Harris and Devendorf are forces to be reckoned with, and Onuaku and Jackson, while not being able to hit a free throw shot, can play with the best down low.
But really, good research. We also beat Kansas and Florida at a neutral site to start the year. But really man, good breakdown of Syracuse.
by noro on Mar 17, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ND, CIncy, Gtown
All Suck. So does Rutgers, SH, SF, st.johns and Providence. Oops, I now forgot DePaul. The Big East has so many teams it seems to be a magic trick to remember them all.
Your Conference wins are as followed:
Seton Hall = once
DePaul = once
ND = once
Cincy = once
SF = once
Rutgers = once
GTOWN = once
St. Johns = once
WVU = once
Marquette = once
I was mistaken before, you never beat Providence. I misspoke. I apologize for my incompetence. Syracuse, in fact, lost to Providence by 6 points; a game that was more like a blowout until a late run to make the score look respectable. The Orange beat Marquette in the final game of the year, which means they were without Dominic James, but more importantly they were playing without much confidence.
Your conference losses are as followed:
Louisville = Loss by ten points at home
Uconn = loss by fourteen points (Dyson played only five minutes)
PItt = loss by 18
Providence = I believe we have covered this one
Villanova = loss by 3 at home (Villanova also had control of the entire game)
loss by 17 at Villanova
Georgetown = loss by 14 points
Your total record = 11-7 with only one quality win…against WVU at home. Marquette would have been a quality win, but please refer to my earlier displayed FACTS. And, considering your Syracuse squad needed overtime to squirm around Marquette raises more clouds than sunny galore.
As for your conference tournament, you beat uconn in six overtimes, which I should mention was without them having jerome dyson. You also beat WVU because your team was playing out of their mind. But, that does in now way qualify Syracuse as the better team. And, like I have said before, Syracuse tends to always play well in NY.
As for Non-conference play—
You beat Memphis when Memphis wasn’t very good.
You beat Kansas when they were still finding themselves.
You beat florida…but who really cares…florida sucks.
Just like MN is overrated due to their Lousiville win, Syracuse is overrated due to their conference reputation and ignorant non-conference wins. Do not ever make the mistake of comparing Syracuse to Uconn, Louisville, Pitt or WVU in terms of quality basketball or respectable basketball. And, do not ever compare Syracuse with Uconn, Louisville or Pitt in terms of the potential or ability to advance in the NCAA tournament.
Have fun watching your Orange dissapoint you. Except for Routins and Flynn your team is full of punks…and sooner or later they will lose as punks. And, don’t ever say Devendorf is a better player than Routins, because he is not on the same planet as Routins…Devendorf is a punk player who cherry-picks and plays no defense at all. Routins is fundamental in everything. Devendorf may be a skilled athlete, but that does not mean he is a good player.
I apologize so deeply for not crystalizing my points earlier. When Syracuse gets bullied in the tourney (either in the second or third round) I will say:
WHAT HAPPENED?….I THOUGHT DEVENDORF WOULD LEAD THEM TO THE SHIP!
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 18, 2009 1:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well lets see.
You are giving UConn a pass for playing without Dyson. We had Rautins out for a few games during the stretch against UConn, Louisville, etc, and Providence. We also were missing AO, our only real center for that a few games as well, including PC.
I’m not going to continue this argument. People get hurt. Teams need to find themselves. Calling wins not quality because a team isn’t playing well is stupid. Teams have bad games. It happens. When you play in the best conference in America, teams will lose. PC beat Pitt. Gtown beat UConn at home. There are plenty of examples in the Big East of fluky games.
Watch the tourney and see what happens.
by noro on Mar 18, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will see
perhaps I am wrong. I think syracuse is an excellent passing team. That I respect from them. But, in the end, I have never much respected Jimmy Boeheim for always playing zone defenses with very athletic basketball teams…especially last year. And, I most certainly didn’t enjoy the antics of Devendorf in the big east tourney. Like past years, I will be rooting against Syracuse. It is nothing personal, just stubborness. LETS GO STEPHEN F AUSTIN!!!!
by huff huff plop go the bricks on Mar 18, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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