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Comparing the Online Recruiting Ranking Services


Rivals, Scout, and ESPN all provide ranking systems for recruits headed to Division 1 football programs.  Often, ratings of individual players will vary greatly from one service to another.  In an attempt to determine which service most accurately projects the future performance of players, let's take a look at the ratings that were given to the 2009 NFL first round draft picks back when they were being recruited for college football:

PICK NAME P

COLLEGE

TEAM

RIVALS

STARS

SCOUT

STARS

ESPN

RATING

1 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia 5 5 93
2 Jason Smith OT Baylor 2 2
3 Tyson Jackson DE LSU 3 2
4 Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest 2 2
5 Mark Sanchez QB USC 5 5
6 Andre Smith OT Alabama 5 5 93
7 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland 4 3
8 Eugene Monroe OT Virginia 5 5
9 B.J. Raji DT Boston College 2 2
10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech 4 2 40
11 Aaron Maybin DE Penn State 4 4 77
12 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia 4 4 81
13 Brian Orakpo DE Texas 4 3
14 Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State 3 3
15 Brian Cushing OLB USC 4 5
16 Larry English DE Northern Illinois 2 2
17 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State 4 4 80
18 Robert Ayers DE Tennessee 4 4
19 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri 4 3 78
20 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State 2 3
21 Alex Mack C California 2 2
22 Percy Harvin WR Florida 5 5 93
23 Michael Oher OT Ole Miss 4 5
24 Peria Jerry DT Ole Miss 3 3
25 Vontae Davis DB Illinois 3 3 75
26 Clay Matthews OLB USC 0 0
27 Donald Brown RB Connecticut 3 2
28 Eric Wood C Louisville 2 2
29 Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina 4 4 73
30 Kenny Britt WR Rutgers 4 3 40
31 Chris Wells RB Ohio State 5 5 86
32 Evander Hood DT Missouri 3 2

 

ESPN did not start ranking recruits until 2006, so players from before that time have no ranking.  Despite this limitation, let's look at the trend lines for the different services:


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While Scout may have had the most 5 star rankings for recruits who ultimately became first round NFL draft choices, Rivals had the best trendline for accurately ranking future NFL talent.  A more comprehensive analysis looking at later rounds and previous years would best determine which service best analyzes talent.  If I were retired or writing for TDG full time, I'd be eager to put such a report together for later this week.  For now, the first round of the 2009 NFL draft will have to suffice.

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Just kind of a wierd number thing

but I didn’t see any 1 star ratings, one zero and a lot of 2’s.

Nice to see 3 out of the top 5 were ranked a 2

"they're calling insane hogs???"

by CrowTrobot on Aug 25, 2009 9:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's also "nice to see"

that 18 of the top 32 players drafted were 4 or 5 star recruits according to Rivals.

Each year Rivals gives out about 17-20 FIve Star Rankings. You can see that 6 of them landed in the first round of the 2009 NFL Draft, which I would argue is a MUCH higher percentage than to see than 8 of the several thousand two-star players which are evaluated each year.

i’ve had this debate so many times now but it always ends up the same place: the star system is an accurate predictor of college and pro football success. 1/3 of the Five Star players were drafted in round one. I’ll argue less than 1% of all two star players get drafted.

I know that the point here is to prove that Brewster’s collection of 2 and 3 star athletes can turn out well. That certainly may be true. But I’d rather have 4 star Marqueis Gray than 2 star Florida QB, and I think the fanbase does too.

by JG2112 on Aug 25, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

I was just looking at the numbers, never meant to imply the star rating was flawed.
As a Gopher fan i’m always looking on the bright side of life.

"they're calling insane hogs???"

by CrowTrobot on Aug 25, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

proof the star system has value

Proof positive the star system is a good predictor of future success. Is it perfect?? Of course not but it does have its place in the recruitment of athletes. It is not a coincidence that U of TX brings in 15 to 20—4 star players every year and is consistently in the top ten.

by Texas Gopher on Aug 25, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes it is

a TOTAL coincidence, they are just getting lucky.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Aug 25, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you spell "facetious?"

GNation—-I am guessing the misspelled word above applies to your 228 post.

by Texas Gopher on Aug 25, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love nerds.

A+++ Will read again.

by DownwithGoldy on Aug 25, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is nice

I would like to see data like this over the last 5 years where we can see a trend. And we can also see that guys that come in to college high and out to the pro’s high can be big busts. I was just thinking of Vince Young….great college player…but is unable to adapt his game to the NFL. Great post though. Nearly as many 2-3’s make up the top 32 as 4-5’s. More evidence that the rankings are a crap shoot at best. If we could see the trend for the last 5 years you could develop this some more…but based on the above, you are as likely to produce a top 32 NFL pick with 4-5 star guys as you are with 2’s and 3’s. And as the top 5 picks, three are 2’s and 3’s and two are 5’s……This tells me more about the coaching ability than recruiting ability….Brewster has yet to prove he can coach a 2 or 3 up, which I think is the biggest concern for most Gopher fans when they sign 2’s and 3’s. There are lots of other variables…like some of the 2’-3’s may have been surrounded by 4’-5’s on their team so they showed better than ranked by scouts.

by DallasGopher on Aug 26, 2009 6:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

4-5 stars do have a far better draft rate

As noted by JG above, there are less than 20 five star players each year. Over half of them end up first round draft picks. In contrast, there are thousands of 2-3 star recruits, of whom probably less than 1% become first round draft picks.

Buck Bravo

by Buck Bravo on Aug 26, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are conflating the premise here.

The first point is that star rankings are not the be all and end all of predictive success in getting drafted to the NFL. Then, there’s this aside about Vince Young, which is premature at best (He’s a 4th year QB). Vince Young’s NFL success means nothing in considering the star system.

I’ve argued this countless times so I’m going to do the research on this and do a little posting, but the scouting services are pretty accurate in determining that if you’re a 5 star, you’re probably going to play pro, if you’re a 4 star you’ve got a better chance, and if a 2 or 3 star, a lesser chance. If about 30-40 % of 5 stars make it pro, that’s obviously better than less than 1 % of 2 stars.

Just look backwards. Look at a few of the prior top players of the Rivals 100;

2002 – Vince Young, Haloti Ngata
2003 – Ernie Sims, Reggie Bush
2004 – Adrian Peterson, Ted Ginn Jr.
2005 – Derrick Williams, Patrick Turner, Eugene Monroe, Rey Maluagua (No. 5)
2006 – Percy Harvin, Andre Smith, Beanie Wells, Gerald McCoy.
2007 – Jimmy Clausen, Joe McKnight, Eric Berry, Ryan Mallett

if you get a high end player, you’ve got a 50% chance, probably, that he’ll be great in college. The odds are way lower for a lower star player.

by JG2112 on Aug 26, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be foolish

to argue that you have a better chance to make the pros if you are a 2 or 3 star recruit vs. a 4 or 5 star recruit. Clearly the percentage of players that are 4/5 star players are on average better football players or have more upside. That being said, we aren’t Texas/USC/OSU/etc. and can’t expect to bring in 4/5 star players left-and-right. Clearly Brewster has done a better job of landing a few 4-star recruits sprinkled in with a lot of 3’s and 2’s. We simply don’t have the talent/tradition*/atmosphere/location necessary to compete with the big boys on the recruiting front. Hopefully someday soon we can see a 5-star recruit sprinkled in with mostly 3’s and 4’s, but as I see it, we are making progress and that is good to see.

by GreasyLlama on Aug 26, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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