Tim Brewster vs. KFAN
The news broke on Tuesday that Tim Brewster had communicated to KFAN that he, his coaches and his players were no longer permitted to go on the KFAN airwaves because of how he felt he and his team has been treated on said airwaves. It has since been classified as mis-communication and most of you who stop by here knew about this spat but after hearing the various hosts on the local sports radio station talk about this all week, I finally feel as though somebody needs to stick up for the Gopher football program a little bit.
First of all it really is absolutely clear that Tim Brewster handled this poorly and he created this mess. It reflects poorly on him and certainly opens him up to further criticism on more than just KFAN. I'm sure this could have handled differently.
On the other hand, it is becoming comical how up in arms the hosts on KFAN are over this. The Gopher football program is largely ignored, poorly covered and most Gopher fans feel it is very unfortunate how little coverage the team receives as the only Division 1 football program in the state. When the team is actually talked about by the show hosts it is the same cliched re-used talking points each and every time. To me it is much less about the general negative coverage as it is about the lack of coverage and usually lazy coverage.
The depth of coverage usually follows these talking points...
- The Gophers play nobody in the preseason. This is the line used regardless of who is actually played and regardless of how talented the opponent actually is. Some schedules have been terrible, but the point is that this is used without spending any time looking at the teams on the schedule. This will be characterized as a terrible Syracuse team, a lowly non-BCD opponent, Cal who will obliterate us and then an FCS game that does nothing for us. Nevermind that this actually one of the toughest non-conference schedules among all the BCS schools this year.
- The Gophers will not be ready for Big Ten play. This is usually stated without taking a real look at the talent of the Big Ten, the actual talent at each position on the Gopher roster and how we match up with these other Big Ten rosters. Once again it is just the easy route when we inevitably don't finish in the top 3.
- Talk to me when they get to the Rose Bowl. This one bothers me and I'll get to this later. Talk to me when the Vikings win the Super Bowl, talk to me when the Timberwolves get to the NBA Championship. No the Fan will talk about them all day long even though they can't win a championship, but the Gophers are held to the championship standard. I get they haven't been to the Rose Bowl in a LONG time, but using that as a standard before you'll talk about them is just asinine. This team is putting pieces together, it is more talented and they have taken steps towards competitiveness over the last couple years. But few on the station will take the time to look at progress being made, instead, talk to them when we go to the Rose Bowl (unless we lose, then prepare for more ridicule about how this team caught some breaks and didn't actually belong there).
- The Gophers have been terrible for decades. True, but the level of mediocrity over the last few decades has as much to do with the current season as our National Championships a couple generations ago. Once again it is MUCH easier to use this talking point than actually taking a look that team, looking at the level of talent on the roster and then trying to ascertain whether or not the season was (or will be) successful based on that, unless they go 9-3 or better and get to a great bowl they are largely ignored or ridiculed.
The lack of coverage and the lack of effort put into the minimal coverage is terrible and to then get bent out of shape when Brewster doesn't want to bend over to give them what they want is laughable. Some on the station are better than others, but overall if you are going to largely ignore the program then why do you care when the program wants to ignore you? There were many quotes about how they don't really care and this won't affect them, but it has been talked about all week and clearly they do care. The thin-skin is on both sides of this issue.
Let's take a look at some of the quotes from this week.
Paul Allen the morning he broke this story - "The first missile was launched this morning when we found out Tim Brewster will not allow coaches or players to come on this radio station because of the way he perceives he or the team has been treated. To which my response is, don't lose 55-0 to Iowa and you probably won't have problems."
PA actually repeated this line or similar line about thirteen-fourteen times during the first hour of his Tuesday program. He puts heavy emphasis that Brewster is "perceiving" some sort of negative coverage and then goes right to the don't lose 55-0 and this wouldn't be an issue. Nobody is perceiving anything. PA is proving the "perceived" negativity. Once again, though, it is less about calling out the embarrassing loss. What exactly does 55-0 have to do with the 2009 season? Clearly he is just taking a cheap-shot at the program, this is NOT uncommon and exactly why Brewster doesn't want to subject his program to KFAN.
PA - "Nothing from the commentary here, because we are professionals, nothing is going to change in the commentary because of this information. If the thing is good then the thing is good. If you beat Cal on a Monday after the Vikings go 2-0, I'll give you five minutes."
This was said slightly tongue in cheek, but we all know it is 100% true. The Vikings are going to start out 2-0 against two of the worst teams in the NFL and IF the Gophers were to upset the #7 team in the country they will get about 5-10 minutes of talk. I completely understand that this is a Vikings town and they have a very good team this season. I love the Vikings. And the station recognizes that this is a Viking's town so they get the bulk of the local coverage. But it highlights their lack of coverage and why should it really matter to them if players and coaches are not going to be on their airwaves? So then we get into more cheapshots and justification as to why they don't cover the Gophers.
Dan Cole - "Get to the Rose Bowl and then get back to me."
Dan Barreiro - "Win a fourth tier bowl first and then get back to me."
Cole's quote bothers me (probably more than it should) and Barreiro's is just a blatant cheap-shot (but nobody should be surprised). But seriously, is that the only way you will recognize this team? Especially when it comes to Minnesota sports if that is the threshold to get any effort by the hosts of KFAN then maybe that explains why we get to hear more about amateur golf, politics, legal advice and farting than we do Gopher football. The Timberwolves have accomplished nothing in their franchise history, does that mean they get no coverage on the Fan? The Vikings are notorious for never actually accomplishing anything but that isn't a good enough reason to not talk about them, nor should it be. I didn't go back to get direct quotes from either of their shows, but there were more insults and cheap-shots throughout as you can imagine.
The Gophers have been mediocre for a long, long time. But that should have nothing to do the price of a bushel of beans in 1994. Take some time to get to know the team, take some time to try and understand if 7-5 in 2008 was actually an improvement rather than just bring up 55-0 every chance you get. Spend some time to determine what would actually constitute a successful season in 2009. If Rose Bowl or bust is going to be your threshold for this team then don't ridicule the coach when he comes into town talking about that actually being a goal.
This isn't a station-wide rant. Some are better than others and I actually enjoy listening to most of the shows on KFAN. The morning show has Justin Conzemius who is a former Gopher, Corey Cove is an alum and Chris Hawkey is a season ticket holder. Thre coverage isn't all that detailed or extensive but it's as good as you'll see on the Fan.
Phil Mackey does some nice work covering the Gophers and probably puts more time into it than anybody else. As far as I could tell he was the only KFAN representative at the Air Force game last weekend. TV and newspaper people who we probably won't see in the press box again this season were there, but KFAN was represented by one, that speaks volumes in my opinion.
PA also makes an effort. The root of this whole kerfuffle is PA trying to get some ast coaches on his show, so there is at least an effort there. He does try but when this all went down a few days ago he over-reacted as thin-skinned as he was claiming Brewster had. It didn't take very long for cheap shots to flow out of his mouth as well. His tone quickly jumped from...
"We put in a fair amount of time trying to enhance the exposure of this football team going into this new stadium."
(which is kind of funny, but I digress) to
"don't lose 55-0 to Iowa and you probably won't have problems."
and finally...
"Who in the hell does this guy think he is?"
He really only gives the program cursory coverage. Looking at just the Thur and Fri topics on his show he had seven Vikings segments, two Gophers, and I would bet it would be less than two if the opponent wasn't currently a top 10 team in the country. He does make an effort but it's not like he is the voice of Gopher athletics. And when things went sour he turned on the program pretty quick.
Every other program on the station ignores the Gopher football team and take cheap shots on a regular basis. That is fine, but then why are they surprised that Brewster wants very little to do with them? Or why do the care?
Ultimately I listen to KFAN on a regular basis and there are things I appreciate about every show on the air. When compared to many other media outlets in the area they are not as vindictive or outright pricks like say Mr. Ruesse. But they do ignore the program, are lazy in their coverage, take cheap shots and really shouldn't be all that surprised.
This whole issue is a two-sided problem. Brewster handled things poorly to start with and is likely being thin-skinned on the issue. But on the other side of this I'm disappointed that KFAN chose to take this one-sided conversation to the airwaves and do what they can to make the program look bad when they didn't get what they wanted. This will be fodder for ridicule in the future and you can expect the same kind of coverage you have in the past.
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Great post!
This is easily the most objective take on this topic that I have seen. I was slightly on the fence about this topic, but I really agree with you. Both KFAN and Brewster have some skin in the game here.
The whole angle that PA and KFAN are thin-skinned in this topic is pretty brilliant. And the fact that the FAN doesn’t give the program any love, and then wants to bash the coach when he doesn’t fake it and send them some interviews when they need to fill a segment is unreal.
I, like you, listen to a lot of KFAN, and anything before noon has been my preference because they actually talk about sports, which is what I am tuning in for.
I heard that Morris was at the game as well, and he has had some very complimentary things to say about the program, but I’ve only specifically noticed it in the wake of this controversy. He also followed up every compliment this morning with a muffled “come on my show Coach Brewster, just for 5 minutes.” So whether he’s talking honestly, or trying to mend the bridge to get an interview, who knows.
Don't sell yourself short Judge, you're a tremendous slouch.
Awesome take
Way to go, TDG. It’s always rubbed me the wrong way the way Barriero berrates our college athletes. These kids are 2 and 3 years out of high school, yet he thinks they should be super- human beings. He sometimes confuses them with professional athletes and I think thats unfair. Keep up the good work.
Well said...
Tim Brewster has to realize not everyone is going to go for his rah-rah stuff, especially the cynics at KFAN. At least he didn’t imitate the “Come after me, I’m a man, I’m 40!” rant from OklaState…
I think this is about a couple of things…
1) KFAN owns the vikings rights, and not the gophers. They have a chip on their shoulder against anything WCCO has (even though they aren’t the giant they once were either), and it shows here. So in the case it is about egos and dollars (probably not in that order). WCCO and Big10 Network seem to have exclusive rights for the Brewster shows.
2) Brewster has so much of his own media (Twitter, Facebook, Play4Brew, GopherSports) and other positive media (this site, other blogs, Coaches show on the Big10 Network, Radio show on WCCO) that he probably feels he doesn’t need a regional sport station’s publicity that is going to be 70-30 against. I always thought the “any publicity is good publicity” mantra should apply here and he should allow somebody, whether it is Coach Brewster himself, or one of the coaches/coordinators to appear weekly on the Fan.
For KFAN to pull a “bandwagon” type attitude (we’ll talk more when they win) though when they rant against others with that mentality is irritating though. I listen often, though I find myself changing stations back and forth quite a bit when I get tired of their bits (and most of them are old, especially commonman).
My Take on these guys
Paul Allen….just a f’ing idiot even when it comes to horse racing. I was around the track in Shakopee much longer than him and would not follow his betting advice in a million years. I know many horsemen/women out there that flat out hate the guy. On top of it he is a D-bag with his schwarmy bravado on the radio…Neat! Im a “cool guy” on the radio in the 14th largest media market…and Im a sidekick on a national fantasy football show of which I had no hand in building.
Commom Man….Big Dork from Detroit that sleeps with his driver and humps his putter…I love golf and play a lot….but for the love of all things holy I don’t like to listen to golf on the radio…especially his doctor dorkenstein stories!
Dan Barreiro—— Another complete A-hole that thought he was a ladies man around town back in the 90’s. I actually won K-Fans 1st annual bowling tournament of which he and common etc were participating. He was just a jerk to a lot of the guys when he realized he was getting his A&& handed to him in a rec sport called bowling…then he sat with some Skank(who I think is his wife if he even stayed married) and talked shit about the U of M to which I was a student at the time….Then when I won he sought me out…didn’t congratulate me but said this…" Hey, Want me to sign that hat?" (I won a Kfan hat among other junk items) and I said no and walked away…Can you believe it…the Douche had the nuts to pimp out his own autograph like he was some celebrity…..just my experience with these morons….lol
listen back on the podcast
to the first segment PA had when he brought this up. He spent 15 min telling us how he loves the Gophers and wants to talk about them. He wants to talk to the coordinators, he wants to talk to the players (for us fans of course). He was saying how it was HE who thought the coordinator hirings were awesome and it was HE who said that Eric Decker is one of the top 5 receivers in college football.
WOW, way to go out on a limb there. Seriously you ARE a great Gopher mind and you deserve to have access to everyone you want because you think Decker is among the top 5 receivers in the country. You are probably the only one in the country who thinks that, cause nobody else would support that theory or the numbers wouldn’t support it either.
what you say here can, and will, be used against you
Two-faced P.A.
agree totally, I was almost getting used to him, then this happened. He is so freeking phony it’s sick. I can’t stand him anymore.
"they're calling insane hogs???"
this article was awesome
Great job summing this all up GN! They really don’t cover the T-wolves that much, they should they are our only NBA team, just like the Gophers are our only Div 1 team, I just want some consistent coverage, not just all Vikes, then “oh yeah the Gophs suck”. When they do cover the Gophs it’s mostly negative, when stuff like the Helicopter thing went down the first thought through my head was “oh great more to rip on”.
"they're calling insane hogs???"
Perfect
Best article on this site ever. Never listen to KFAN for exactly all the reasons listed. I listen to them but hear nothing. Do some work and then I will listen.
I wouldn't say never listen to them
they cover a number of other teams that I enjoy, and they do well, just not with Gopher coverage.
what you say here can, and will, be used against you
by GopherNation on Sep 18, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
KFAN is tiring..
As a gopher fan I get really sick of KFAN, because of the talking points you’ve mentioned above, that’s all they ever talk about.
However now i’m getting sick of it because they talk about topics that they’ve created. For example, the last couple of days has talking about the talk about their talking-points.
This is how it works.
1. Complain about the Gophers coaches not appearing on the show.
2. Say it’s because Brewster can’t handle the negative talking-points we use..
3. Kill two, three days, discussing whether or not KFAN using negative talking-points should affect the Gophers.
See, now they haven’t actually been talking about the gophers, they’ve been talking about themselves, how KFAN affects the gophers.
Someone needs to remind them this is a small market.
KFAN included. I was told that if I objected to their juvenile whining that I could just tune out. Excellent advise. That’s just what I did. This is a finite listening market. If they continue to respond to criticism every time they’re confronted on issues with similar responses,they’ll eventually be able to do their “progrums” without the aid of a transmitter(although,living in the far western suburbs,after sunset,I think that’s just what they do,anyway. How bush league is that?)
GN Nails It On This One
Nice work and very well laid out points. The problem is that KFAN doesn’t have anyone that knows anything about the Gophers. Wait….that never stops them on any other subject…..nevermind. That is why I love the BTN!!!!!!
KFAN
is a minor league station in a major league market. They recycle the same bits year in and year out. They are all name dropping, national wannabes. The only reason to listen to this station is for movie reviews or hollywood gossip. And you thought KFAN was a place for sports info.
In fairness, some of their weekend programming is informational. But their weekly daytime hosts are unbearably boring. Paul Allen’s opening segment is usually infantile and a time waste. He either plays a bunch of songs and tries to relate them obliquely to the news of the day. (or worse; he makes up his own words to songs and sings them) It’s almost like he is unprepared and needs this time to read the local rags for a subject that might be relevant.
I admit I listen on Friday mornings during football season. But only in the hope that I gain a nugget of info to help my fantasy teams. Paul Allen has a guest from Philly at 9:40 who is quite informative. Unless Paul tries to step all over his time.
This station will be there if the Gophers get enough national attention to raise the KFAN hosts profiles nationally. Otherwise they will continue to ignore the Gophers for the most part. Brewster handled this poorly. It doesn’t mean he was wrong.
Great take
The problem with KFAN is there is no true sports talk competitor. WCCO has Brewster’s radio show and the games, obviously, but I don’t hear Michelle Tafoya or Don Shelbu talking much Gophers. And Joe Soucheray isn’t talking much about it, either. And then I have to wake up on a Sunday morning to listen to Sid bumble his way through life. Then, you have Dark Star, who was suspended for a week for an using an obscene word on the air.
Face it. AM sports talk radio stinks in this market
Well done GN
I agree with it all. I cannot listen to the FAN anymore as it consists of, basically, Mike Morris, PA, Common, Barreiro, and a bunch of 20 year olds trying to be like the four of them.
It would be fantastic if Brewster was getting national attention and the FAN couldn’t get access to him or his staff. Serves them right for ignoring the program and not recognizing the positive developments that have happened in Dinkytown the past 3 years as it relates to football.
That all said, they both acted like babies here. My 6 and 2 year old have more rational arguments than all these guys.
Out of the loop
but I recognize good journalistic work when I see it. Nice job GNation on an excellent piece of work.
To be fair to Cole
Here’s his schtick:
Twins: Get to the World Series, then get back to me
Vikings: Get to the NFC championship…
Wolves: Get to the Western Conference Finals…
Wild: Get to the 2nd round…
by Ski U Mah Gopher on Sep 19, 2009 6:00 AM CDT reply actions
Cole.....
…..As his schtick above…then has the nerve to talk about the stupid Fing Detroit Lions on a MN station. Problem with KFAN is they needed to hire some local die hard fans. Cole…from Michigan…..PA from California…..Dan Bizzaro….not even sure what rock he came out from under..or where/if he went to college..I know he lived in Indiana as a kid and worked in Dallas…..Just what you need, Indiana, Michigan and southern California…They will know Gopher sports better than anyone….Seriously KFAN…there has to be some locals that you can get to do these jobs…
by DallasGopher on Sep 19, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Barreiro
grew up in Gary and went to Indiana U.
I don’t put much stock in the “they are not from here.” They just don’t try and then take shots
what you say here can, and will, be used against you
by GopherNation on Sep 19, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
GN
IMHO I have to disagree. Im a rabid football fan, but I could not for the life of me think I could comment on the TCU or SMU programs living here in Dallas. Just because I live here I don’t think that gives me some insight into the teams. I do agree that it doesn’t automatically exclude anyone, but come on, there has to be some journalists in the Twin Cities or some that would move back that could cover the Gophers a million times better than 3 transplants. That point I cannot waver on.
by DallasGopher on Sep 19, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions

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