Production By Recruiting Class

by Narby on Sep 22, 2009 11:17 PM CDT Comment 10 comments

I was perusing Rivals Gopher recruiting classes and decided to run some numbers to see how much production we are getting from each recruiting class currently. Rather than use the number of players, I decided to give points out for each players contribution to make it more of a weighted average so to speak. I think you will find this interesting and a good topic of debate.

Scoring System =

5 pts for a superstar college Player/NFL talent

4 pts for a good to very good college player

3 pts for a solid college player

2 pts for a below average college player or OK back-up

1 pt for a role player or special teams player

Obviously there will be disagreement on some of the players as to their contribution, but the overall numbers will probably average out if you re-rate them with your score. I left out walk-on as this is a measurement of the overall success of a recruiting class. I also left in JUCO's for the year they were recruited. In a perfect world, you would like to have most of your production coming from upperclassmen.

Total Points

2005) Triplett 4, Thomas 1, Stommes 3, Decker 5 13

2006) Alford 2, Brown 4, Campbell 4, Ellestad 3, Weber 4 17

2007) Bennett 2, Bunders 2, Collado 2, Davis 2, Jacobs 2, Small 4, Theret 3 17

2008) Cooper 3, Dandridge 1, Edwards 3, Eskridge 2, Gray 3, Green 3, Kirksey 4, Lawrence 5

McKinley 2, Simmons 5, Stoudermire 3 34

2009) Carpenter 1, Oreske 3, Wills 2 06

In summation, we are relying heavily on the 2008 recruiting class already. They are producing much more than I expected from them to at this point. While you can name several very good players and the star of the team who were recruited by Mason, this team is already relying quite heavily on Brewster's first real recruiting class and this is only their 2nd season of playing and in some cases their first. We hear the local media talk about how this is a veteran team and while some players may be, the depth of the team is still very young. I like the direction we are heading, nearly all of the 2009 class is red-shirting and this should bode well for the future. It's a great time to be a Gopher fan, ALL ABOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS- Is that Roses I smell in a couple of years?????

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Right on,looks like the 08 class will pay big dividens as expected.Some of thoes 08 recruits will also get better in the next few years,especially Gray and Cooper.Need some stud running back recruit soon although.

by 500 on Sep 22, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

From the 2008 recruiting class

They’re not too young. You can take Simmons, McKinley and Lawrence out of the mix after this year because they were JUCOs. That will leave 22 points to carry over to 2010.

As for the 2009 class, out of the 19 kids who actually made it to campus, 4 of them have burned their redshirts already, Carpenter and Wills were JUCOs, leaving 13 guys who, as of today, still have their redshirt years available.

by JG2112 on Sep 23, 2009 5:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

McKinley is only a 2?

Other than that, I agree with most of your scores.

The younger guys (i.e. non juco transfers) from 2008 will only get better (Green, Stoudermire) and it is way too early to score 2009. Carpenter joined the team late and could be huge once he gets more into the flow.

by rencito on Sep 23, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He is borderline

I had a hard time giving a 3 to anyof our DE’s since it is such a glaring weakness on the team.

by Narby on Sep 23, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the points are off

you needed to put them in their graduating classes. The 2008 class looks stacked but Simmons, Lawrence and McKinley will be gone after this year so then the 2008 impact number is really only 22 and the current senior class is much more.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Sep 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The post is recruiting class,not graduating class therefore Jucos could the year they were recruited,not graduating

by 500 on Sep 23, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I also think you could bump up Hayo's number

he was more than a role player against Cal. He was more involved than Gray was and you have him a 3.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Sep 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Talk to me when he (Carpenter) catches a pass

It seems like somef people are missing the point. I don’t care if you would rate one person higher or lower. Those numbers will constantly change and this is just a snapshot of current production in my opinion. Next year more players will step up and we will see even more production from the 2008 and 2009 recruiting classes.

If we were truly a veteran team, most of our production would be coming from 2005 and 2006 recruiting classes and it clearly is not. The depth of talent Mason recruited was atrocious and these numbers back that up.

by Narby on Sep 23, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is largely

a by-product of the coaching switch. It’s also why Brewster is unfairly saddled with the 3rd lowest APR in the BCS: when coaches leave, many players do as well.

Had Mason been here all the way through, there would not have been a need for the 31 person class in 2008.

This is just what happens in a coaching change. Miami is primarily relying on freshmen and sophomores because Randy Shannon swept out Larry Coker’s priors.

Tennessee lost a number of players this past offseason. Syracuse lost 20 scholarship players. And another Big Ten team only has 6 fifth year seniors and 7 seniors, and 89 freshmen and sophomores on its 125 man roster.

It’s just what happens. It’s not Mason’s fault much beyond the fact that he was fired.

by JG2112 on Sep 24, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see what you are getting at

but a veteran team has to be defined by juniors and seniors who are participating. The 2008 class has 34 points (more than the 2007 and 2006 classes, but a big chunk of those points are seniors and the rest are sophomores.

I see that your point is Brewster recruits are contributing much more than Mason recruits, that is very true. But this is a very experienced team and assuming Rose Bowl in a couple years (I know that was tongue in cheek) is misleading because a number of those 2008 guys will actually have to be replaced next year.

I’m glad you went through the exercise, it is very interesting and has generated good discussion. What I think would also be interesting is the same exercise broken up by Mason recruits vs. Brewster recruits. And then another one by graduating class as that would give us an indication of future production.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you

by GopherNation on Sep 24, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs