Coaching Search Open Thread
by TonyO on Nov 30, 2010 12:36 PM CST
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In order to clear things up and not be posing 7,000 different threads about news, guesses, and rumors about who the new head coach will be, Lets simplify this...post all News, updates, ideas etc... in this thread.
I'll start by saying this..some guy on Gopher Hole is saying Golden is 100% the guy....despite a report by Thayer Evans of foxsports.com stating
Thayer Evans
Strike Temple coach Al Golden from lists for Vanderbilt and Minnesota jobs according to sources. 21 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/#!/ThayerEvansFox
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Good idea. Added to front page.
Im pretty sure that whoever is hired will be blasted by most. Maturi really shouldn’t have thrown out the tubby like hire reference.
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wow so he really said that?
I thought someone was making a joke. Strange choice of words by him, unless he already had someone in the bag.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Nov 30, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Strange choice of words?
Not really…man has always had bad case of foot in mouth disease. I don’t know how you get to be a BCS AD while showing no ability to speak “politically”. Concepts like under-promise/over-deliver, message discipline, and “coach speak” aren’t that hard to master. Sadly, he posses none of these traits.
I miss the chaos and speculation
that was rampant yesterday—-helped with the workday.
HOKE
I personally believe that he’s not going anywhere BUT…
There were rumors of Hoke’s buyout being lower after December 1st. Maybe we’ll find out tomorrow that it is Hoke!
what you say here can, and will, be used against you The Daily Gopher
Hoke's Buyout is 1.5 million before December 15th
and then after December 15th it’s down to 1 Million.
Just off of what I’ve read and my own hunches, I’d put the odds as follows:
1. Golden 2.5:1
2. Sumlin 3:1
3. Hoke 5:1
4. Mullen 10:1
5. Calhoun 20:1
6. Richt 50:1
7. Fedora 50:1
8. (Just for fun, heard it here first) Mike Singletary 200:1
9. Other 5:1
Buck Bravo
by Buck Bravo on Nov 30, 2010 1:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
OK, let's assume the guy is still coaching, which is why we are circle jerking into the weekend...
This would mean that whoever the guy is may have another game to coach…..so lets see, looking at the schedule, and if you subscribe to that theory (its prob wrong, but its one way to look at it), then the top candidates who are playing this weekend are (with no consideration for previously leaked names, going strictly by guys that would potentially go to MN):
J Kill
Mike Stoops
Pat Hill
June Jones
Greg Schiano
Chris Ault
Chris Peterson
DC from OK (cant remember his name)
Randy Edsell
Lane Kiffin
Don’t hit me….
Stop with the wet dreams
We are not getting any of these guys. We will end up with some obscure position coach being pushed out by an NFL team.
And you should probably stop with the crazy overreactions...
The lowest the U would have to go is to an experienced coordinator (the level they should have never chosen to drop below last time).
Is it really Horton we're getting?
…probably not, but if everybody turns it down, I could live with that.
I’m still extremely curious about Jerry Kill being left off all these lists. Does he have health issues? Does he love moonlighting as a corn pesticide engineer?
do we have 15 more days of this nonsense….until Hoke drops one of his $500K anchors?
The main plausible reason floating around...
…is his health problems. No idea if that’s true or not of course.
Who cares about health... IF HE WINS!
In fact, tell him to take up smoking if it helps him win more.
It's down to 4
Mullen, Golden, Hoke, and some “surprise coach we never dreamed of getting” are the only 4 coaches still getting any steam. I hope we don’t have to wait until December 15th if it’s Hoke.
so it's realy not down to any number
since it could still be someone we’ve never dreamed of.
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by GopherNation on Nov 30, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Surprise coaches
Scott Linehan
Darrell Bevel
Brad Childress
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Ha. Childress / Bevel were jokes, but I might be OK with Linehan.
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Can anyone give me one reason
why Mullen would leave his current job for the U of M???
Money
Coaches leave for more money, plain and simple. My guess is he is using this to get a raise or make himself more desirable to other schools in the future. He definitely goes to Miami before coming here.
Unlikely I agree
But maybe he wants to get out the SEC meatgrinder where it takes under the table dealings with parents to get impact players and if you don’t play that game, your conference rivals will.
Having said that, Miami is probably a better fit.
No Tejas, i can't....
…but I did laugh when I heard that Dungy was helping Indiana in the same capacity he “helped” the Gophers.
Hey, is the new coach Dungy? He’s the only “Tubby-Like” guy I can think of.
No, I’m not being serious…again, don’t hit me….
My Four
No particular order
Hoke- might not be him if reports that Maturi wants the news conference next week are true. why hire him a week before a $500,000 drop in the buyout.
Calhoun- haven’t heard anything that leads away from him, except him not wanting to leave Air Force.
Mullen- Unless it is already a done deal, can’t see him coming here over Miami
Jagodzinski- ?? just won’t go away, Maturi supposedly met with him and was on Joel “initial list” yikes!
None truly blow me away
Justin Gaard of KFAN
has a very discouraging post basically saying that all our faves have outright rejected Maturi. You can read it at the KFAN web page. If true I think that means either Sumlin or Shannon.
I hope his sources are wrong.
I think we're all better off...
…if we start out by assuming all anonymously sourced info is probably wrong rather than getting worked up over it. Gaard’s report says were screwed. Doogie’s tweets suggest we might be ok. National folks thought that Fedora was here. Etc. There are so many competing interests involved here. The U trying to float trial balloons and manage expectations. Boosters pushing favorites. Agents angling to improve their client’s contracts and visibility. Media looking for page views, viewers, and listeners.
I’m not saying we should stop paying attention to any of it or stop having thoughts/opinions about who we like and dislike. I do think that keeping an even keel when reading this stuff is the ticket to making it through this process without going crazy.
My Sources say
I know a guy who plays cards with a guy, who has a sister that cuts hair for a guy, who has a cousin, that knows a guy, who knows a guy, that is close to Maturi, and he says…..
Oh hell, I’m still dreaming that it’s going to be Phil Fulmer. Until reality rears it’s ugly head I may as well be happy……
by Narby on Nov 30, 2010 4:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think...
…whether that is a dream or a nightmare you’re having is definitely in the eye of the beholder. ;o)
Quoting PJS "Brad Childress"
If they Hire Brad Childress I will go apeshit and burn TCF Bank Stadium to the ground….You would probably see fatal riots on University Ave…
2 Names I threw out there as possibilities that Maturi should go after..
Mississippi State Defensive Coordinator Manny Diaz, and Texas Assistant Head Coach and Running Backs Coach Major Applewhite. What do you guys think?
This is what I hate about the fallout from Brew.
Up and coming coordinators are pretty much off the table because the U needs a better background of HC success lest the program slip further. Coordinators don’t bring a staff with them and young coordinators may have even bigger issues since their network of contacts is often smaller.
There are definitely coordinators I’d like the U to consider but I’ve pretty much ignored the option since the U has seemingly made it clear they won’t go that route.
Coordinators
I don’t know why coordinators can’t get a look, or the job. Brewster was a damn TE’s coach. So, the fallout from Brew should be someone who is actually qualified and has held a position higher than a TE’s coach.
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I don't disagree...
…I’m just saying that’s what I’ve taken away from the statements made by JM and RB. I think good coordinators should be considered if they can come to the table with a list of coaches who will for sure be coming with them.
We agree.
It’s typical though that with any change at leadership, folks try to do the opposite of what just didn’t work, and typically go to extremes to prove just how different the new leader is. In this case, thanks to Joel Maturi hiring a freaking TE’s coach, that means Maturi thinks he needs the exact opposite.
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Too true...
People can be such illogical creatures. Sigh…No matter who is hired I will never stop lamenting the wasted opportunity that was the last coaching search.
Ahh... visions of Charlie Strong.
… not even saying he was an incredible candidate, but the state of this program would be far different if we hired him (or even Marc Trestman).
From Charlie "Shooter" Walters of the Pioneer Press
Gophers interim football coach Jeff Horton, who led Minnesota to victories over projected bowl teams Illinois and Iowa the last two games of the season, was told he would be interviewed for the permanent job but as of Monday afternoon had not received an interview.
I'm fine with that
He at least won himself a seat at the table. Not my first choice, but since 8 guys have apparently said “no thanks” he should have his voice heard. Still not my first choice.
by rencito on Nov 30, 2010 5:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In the same Dienhart tweet mentioned in 11/30 Nugz...
It says: “I have learned that Nebraska defensive coordinator Carl Pelini could be a top target for the Louisiana-Lafayette job.”
I wouldn’t mind him (and his temper). Big-time defensive background, coordinator at Central U.S. Football U and would have the a contact list that would include his brother’s names as well.
I know there is the future-division-rival thing, but is there a coach in the world that turns down a Big 1(2)0 team to go catch a tan in the Sun Belt?
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Mike Tice
You all have forgotten Mike Tice. It may be him.
by bobbyspringfield on Nov 30, 2010 6:52 PM CST reply actions
Tice
He doesnt even have a college degree (according to PA). I think that disqualifies him.
by MinnesotaCatFan on Nov 30, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just saying...
get yourselves prepared for Jeff Jagodzinski or Randy Shannon. I don’t like the way this is going.
From ESPN Insider...
“Our own Joe Schad, however, tells us that Edsall is not out of the equation, and per our information below, has one of the least costly buyouts of any of the possible candidates mentioned.”
Give me Edsall.
I think we should be thrilled if it's Edsall.
He’s taking CT to a damn BCS bowl this year and somehow for some MN fans he’s not good enough.
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Come on PJS...
We should use all that Gopher Clout that we have and hire Jim Tressel or Urban Meyer instead, don’t you think?
I wouldn't complain about Edsall,
but a BCS bid in the Big East is not the same as BCS bid in the Big Ten.
Edsall
I welcome an argument with people who get pissed off if it is Edsall….there is no excuse to get pissed off if Edsall is the guy.
However, I will be pissed off, and you all will hear about it repeatedly, if Jerry Kill ends up at Indiana and builds a winner faster than us. That guy is money for either MN or IU or a similar program. Step up in class to the Thoroughbreds…deserved with a history of success at every “next level” he’s reached.
Jerry Kill “only”…can recruit big-city Chicago players as well as back-woods small-town players alike, Kill took over a team at Southern Illinois that was 1-10 his first year and led them to two 10-win seasons and one 12-win season. He has driven Northern Illinois from 6-7 to 7-5 to 10-2. NIU is in the absolute middle of NOWHERE…and he’s built a BCS #25, AP #24 football program there! You guys keep swinging from the nutsack of Al Golden for building up Temple…but come on guys….NIU is about the last string on the fiddle for Chicago players. Illinois, NW, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Notre Dame, Purdue…fill in the rest, all have pecking order above NIU.
Yet I NEVER saw him on a Gopher short-list. I won’t mention him again….but damn…this just frustrates the hell out of me and comes across as ignorance. I can see Maturi’s smurky face as if to say “he’s not good enough for our program, we need a big name”. Maturi rubs me as a guy who has never been very popular, a life-time “nerd” if you will who has been given this power….
Please continue to bring up Jeff Kill's name.
I don’t need a sexy name… I just want a guy who consistently wins, has kept his staff together for years and has a proven track record of developing players, developing staffs and showing continuity.
You are in the minority my friend...
…I expect some epic “ZOMG! MATURI FULL OF FAIL! FACEPALM! #ENDOFTHEWORLDAS WEKNOWIT” type reactions regardless of who gets named.
Definitely...
…so I’d rather they get upset about us hiring Jerry Kill because he has no name than, say, a guy who was a collossal failure at Miami, a school that prints 4 star athletes. Not to pick on Shannon, but I want a negative analysis done on Jerry Kill so I can live with us not even, to anybody’s knowledge, interviewing him.
Nobody Addresses it!!!
…I’ve asked Doogie and anybody else I can think of and nobody addresses it. Has Kill been contacted, and if not, why the F not? What is the excuse? I honestly would put his track record up against any realistic candidate we’ve got. Might sound ridiculous….but I feel that strongly about giving the guy a serious consideration.
Damn it Foobee…you’ve got me mentioning him again and I said i wouldn’t! ha ha ha…I just want somebody to give me one or two negatives against him. OK, MAYBE he’s had some health issues or something? I honestly don’t know. I do know this, the guy would probably win 3-4 games, MINIMUM, in Big 10 play with his current NIU team…imagine giving him Minnesota and more money behind what he’s trying to sell, compared to NIU?
He’s the 3rd rail….ooohhh….let’s keep whacking off to speculation about a big name. We’ve got a guy with all the proven things we all have been begging for (except a big name)….head coach? Check. Taken losers and turned them into winners? Check. Keeps staff together? Check. Players love him? Check. Recruits? Check. Builds a system and recruits to fit his system? Check. Has taken consistent, higher level promotional moves climbing up the NCAA football latter and has found ways to win QUICKLY at each higher level? Check.
WTF?
I believe Doogie addressed Kill on Gopherhole
He said to his knowledge he does not believe Kill has been contacted. That could also be true of every coach we’ve heard rumored to be interested or not interested. Who the hell knows at this point.
Right?
So he’s confirmed (so to speak) that he has not been contacted. This then confirms my belief that Maturi is not doing a sufficient job with this search.
It's true... by resume alone, it's hard to top the actual accomplishments (not speculations) of Jerry Kill.
I’m talking about actual accomplishments.
Just to be contacted....
…and if he isn’t even being contacted, the criteria being used seem skewed to me.
I’m not saying hire the guy, but interview him.
Of course, NIU will lose by 50 Friday in the MAC championship…ha!
But they barely lost to Illinois in Champagne, they beat us, they killed Temple (the Golden child’s school), North Dakota, have put up 45, 50, 59, 65 and 71 points in games this season…just an interview….that’s all I’m asking…
Holy Crap - Jon Gruden to Miami?
Tom Dienhart is pretty reliable… he tweets, “Sources have told CaneSport that details are being hammered out and, barring a last minute glitch, Jon Gruden will be the next Miami coach.”
These things don’t happen this quickly unless Miami knew Gruden was interested before they fired Shannon. That lends a wee bit of credence to the notion floated out there by Bobby Bowden and others that the firing of Shannon was premature and not warranted. But can you blame Miami administration? If you knew you had a great chance to land Jon Gruden, you’d probably can Shannon too.
I thought this rumor was completely dead and shot to hell already yesterday. Oh wait, it was. Sure, situations can change and anything can happen, but the smoke has pretty well cleared once already. Fool me once, etc.
I put Tom Dienhart in a completely different class than the rest of Twitter Land.
And he just tweeted it four minutes ago.
Agree. He seems like a guy who likes to "think before he tweets"
:)
"He was the only man I ever saw who ran his own interference."
-Steve Owen, about Bronko Nagurski
If they land Gruden
And the Gophers hire Shannon, I could argue that it was very Tubby like!
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That's because you're coming from a Gopher fan perspective...
I think Kentucky Fan would disagree with you.
I’ll refrain from further discussion re: Tubby vs Shannon; we’re very clearly at an impasse. I think the latter is a well-meaning but hapless buffoon who was in far over his head at Miami and would remain so here; you… don’t. Oh well. I hope my theory is not tested.
Shannon
I wouldn’t be too excited about Shannon either, not a very impressive record at Miami. I would bet Dungy is pushing for Shannon.
I've been saying it for a week...
Neither Jagodzinski or Shannon are in my Top-10, but folks better start getting realistic that you may have to get used to one of these guys.
The problem is that most of the candidates I want don’t need Minnesota. Other than cash, why would any of the top candidates being tripping over themselves to come to Minnesota? On the other hand, Jagodzinski and Shannon need Minnesota (so do Leach & Leavitt). I just keep coming back to Shannon as viable because of what the search group has prioritized – somebody who considers academics and ethics to be of great importance, somebody who can recruit and somebody with a winning record as a head coach. (and the unspoken requirement… somebody who would actually come here). For arguments sake, I’d challenge anybody to give me a list of other candidates who fit all those criteria. It’s a short list.
I’d put Jagodzinski, Shannon, Jerry Kill (and maaaaybe Larry Fedora) on that list. Ultimately, I believe all the other guys we want will decline the position.
How would Shannon recruit here? What does he tell his Dade County kids? I mean, the guy is honest enough that all he can say is “it can’t be all that bad up there, can it?”. Not like HE’S ever lived within 500mi of the Mason-Dixon line, let alone somewhere where you might more than an occasional frost.
You don't know much about Shannon...
all you’ve done for days now is call him names and say that he’s never left Miami…
SCREW head coaching records! I want a guy whom our rivals can't make fun of!!
I mean really, who could make fun of a guy who’s last name is Golden? I can tell you off the top of my head I can think of some nasty nicknames for Jagodzinski and Hoke…
Actually, I suppose coaching records might prove important…. sh*t.
Time to stare at photos of Bernie Bierman and weep openly again……
"He was the only man I ever saw who ran his own interference."
-Steve Owen, about Bronko Nagurski
You heard it here first.....
Paul Chryst.
Mark 8:36
I'd be OK with that
As long as his wonderful offensive schemes don’t just up and disappear conveniently during the Wisconsin games..
"He was the only man I ever saw who ran his own interference."
-Steve Owen, about Bronko Nagurski
The Gopher Sports Release - Social Media?
Hey guys,
Just more speculation, but you have to think the press release from the Gophers indicating the announcement will be made via social media lends credence to the fairly soon theory. IMO. Overanalyzing, yes. Thoughts?
I’m so mad at the BBall effort that I’m glad I have this as a distraction…
by InflectionPoint on Nov 30, 2010 9:26 PM CST reply actions
sorry it was released yesterday, Nov 29
can’t find it at the moment…
by InflectionPoint on Nov 30, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
JoPa anybody?
he might be ready to make a move
by isawgophsbeatmichin77andiowain2010 on Nov 30, 2010 10:17 PM CST reply actions
Worst idea yet!
We’re Minnesota. We deserve better than Joe Paterno. And, what experience does he have outside of Pennsylvania? :-)
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by PJS on Dec 1, 2010 7:11 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks
And it’s true. I sat 1st row on the 10 yard line at the old brick house in 1977 and watched everything go right for the Gophs and nothing click for MI on a beautiful fall day when I was in high school. That game is what hooked me as a fan and i’ve been going to games ever since. Such loyalty a big victory can bring. Then, I walked up and down the sidelines behind the wheelchair seating for the Iowa game along with a couple dozen other guys trying to keep warm. We all high-fived with strangers after and I jumped down to the field for awhile, realizing I’m much bigger than Stoudemire and much smaller than Wills:) Saw one angry-looking hawk fan swearing up the stairs on his way out, which was sweet indeed. I got a pic of Weber talking with an older guy in a gold jacket on the field after; anybody know if that was his dad?
by isawgophsbeatmichin77andiowain2010 on Dec 1, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Don't even care any more.
Anything can happen,but hey,it’s Joel Fucking Maturi. Sure,we got Tubby,but I really think it had more to do with Tubby’s people contacting the UM,rather than any of Maturi’s “abilities” to make the hire. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I am fully prepared for the disappointment,and another 3 plus years of ineptitude until the “braintrust” at UM finally realizes (admits to?)the source of the problem,and fires the AD. Then,and only then,can the football progam stand a chance at true redemption…if they can hire the right AD.That hire will once and for all demonstrate if Minnesota takes football seriously,or is as indifferent as they appear to be. Right about now,I’m still deriving enough satisfaction from the fact that our neighbors to the immediate south lost to a football program they have long proclaimed as a total laughingstock,to tide me over into the new year.I’m keeping my expectations at rock bottom to minimize the damage.
Golden - From a PSU persepctive
You could not ask for a better guy and coach.
This guy turned around TEMPLE, if you are not familiar with temple its in a HORRIBLE part of philly. Crack heads, drugs, guns, hookers, etc are just part of the environment.
He and his staff were given nothing to work with and turned into a winner. If you ask most PSU fans, we would be very happy w/ Golden….very happy
Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!
Belloti and Leach
Heard that Belloti and Leach are still potential candidates for the job and they would consider coming to the U. Would they fit well here? Heard only problem with Leach is selling him to the Alumni for the allegations at Texas Tech. Also heard Horton would consider taking a one year deal just to get the job and show he’s worthy.
"They are who we thought they were! And we let them off the hook!"
by Minnesotasports on Dec 1, 2010 12:29 PM CST reply actions
A one year deal for any coach is a terrible idea
It makes recruiting very difficult because noone knows whether the coach will be back or not.
Leach and Belotti are the two best candidates available. I’d Kill (not Jerry) to have either one of them.
Belloti over Leach
If we hired Leach, somehow we’d wind up in a lawsuit.
Updates from Doogie
• Athletic director Joel Maturi told a couple of people that he was in Omaha in the last five days to meet with former Boston College coach Jeff Jagodzinski. He’s the current head coach of the Omaha Nighthawks in the United Football League. With Maturi not at Williams Arena on Monday night, it makes sense that he was out of town. Omaha was the likely location.
• I spoke with Minnesota president Bob Bruininks on Monday at the Barn. He said that a hire would be done “soon” — and that he is “happy with the pool of candidates… it’s solid.” Maturi also told some individuals last week the hire would come within the next 14 days, if not sooner.
• Maturi and consultant Dave Mona were in San Diego to meet with San Diego State coach Brady Hoke two weeks ago. Hoke’s agent, Trace Armstrong, has spoken with the “U.” Unlike Rivals’ Tom Dienhart, who said that Hoke was out, he’s always been in. The tough question to figure out: is he genuinely interested in the Minnesota job, or does he just want more money in San Diego?
• We have not heard that Air Force’s Troy Calhoun and Temple’s Al Golden have said no.
• Former Miami (Fla.) coach Randy Shannon called a friend here five weeks ago, asking if they would have interest in him. Shannon has consultant Tony Dungy on his side.
• Dungy is also pushing for St. Louis Park native Marc Trestman.
• Houston’s Kevin Sumlin has interest in the job but hasn’t been interviewed in person.
• Mississippi State’s Dan Mullen is willing to come for a package totaling $25 million over five years. The $5 million per year would be divided between him and his staff.
• Most coaches want a say on the next AD — Maturi’s contract expires in June 2012 — and are curious about what new president Eric Kaler is all about.
• Basketball coach Tubby Smith is pushing for former Tennessee coach Phil Fulmer.
• Connecticut’s Randy Edsall is still worth keeping an eye on.
• In spite of a public statement to the contrary, former Oregon coach Mike Bellotti does have interest.
Can't help but say it...
Dungy needs to just beat it. His schtick tires me.
I know, GASP….sacrilige….but WTF, I’m a lifetime Gopher fan and alum and the guy has done so little in my opinion. He doesn’t want to coach or be a real champion for the program (he’s doing as much for us as he is for IU)….beat it. Get lost. Thanks for being a QB and for drafting a tight end from the program. Cheers, and best wishes.
Haha
I have similar if less pointed feelings about Dungy. Presumably Dungy thinks that we shouldn’t consider hiring a coach who might occasionally curse.
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by PJS on Dec 1, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Right?
I’m not angry….but whenever he pops up, I just think…“mehhhh”….whatever….
So I best equate this to wanting to just say “beat it, hit the skids”….
I don’t hate him or feel anything ill toward the guy, but he doesn’t want NFL coaches cussing, has this “holier than thou” attitude like he’s the godfather of coaching. I just don’t get it. He is somehow the authority on college football coaches???? “Consultant”? Does he know what it takes to win at Minnesota? I don’t think so. Any more than anybody else does…
I think we're in the minority.
Dungy has an image that took meticulous work to create. I’m sure he’s a good, honorable man. But I completely agree with the holier than thou attitude comment. It’s weird that he’s “consulting” on this effort. What has he done exactly to promote the U?
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by PJS on Dec 1, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
I love Dungy
I know he doesn’t want the job, but he would certainly be my #1 pick if I had my wish.
The U reached out to him to help. He didn’t ask to be involved. He is doing this as a favor.
I do not think he has a holier than thou attitude AT ALL. He has a very different style that I find refreshing. He does not yell or berate players. He is more of a nurturing, mentoring leader. His style is different than a lot of other testosterone driven drill sergeants. He is more intellectual and tries to be a teacher. I love the guy as a person and a coach.
He’s nurturing and mentoring unless you’re one of TEH GAYZ, in which case the only mentoring he’d care to do is remind you that such is worthy of burning in hell. Excuse me for not thinking of him as a moral authority.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
I don’t think there is any dirt on the guy, period.
I'm guessing ....
…. Erik T is talking about this … From Fanhouse::
And a snippet:
But while you’re being inundated with retrospectives, glowing portrayals, and an avalanche of goodwill now that Dungy has retired from coaching; while it’s easy to let the media make you believe that Dungy is, just like deity he worships, infallible; it’s important to remember that he is in fact a human, and humans are flawed. Dungy is no exception.
Let’s go back to Dungy’s 2007 appearance on Costas Now.
“I’m sure I would talk to him about my views on it, what the Bible says about it,” he said at the time regarding the possibility of having a gay player on the Colts.
We all know how Dungy feels about his faith. And we all, obviously, know how Dungy feels about homosexuality; if the above quote weren’t enough, he’s also publically supported the Indiana Family Institute, which has sought to make gay marriage illegal in Indiana.
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by PJS on Dec 1, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
So now we have to take religion into consideration when hiring a coach?
I don’t think he said anything outlandish. People have various opinions on this topic and I don’t see his response to the question as being extremist. He didn’t say anything about ostracizing anyone.
While we may not agree with his political stance, no matter what side he takes on an issue like this there will be opposition. It sounded like a pretty loaded questions from Costas.
I would hope the exact opposite, that religion never come into play when making a hire of any kind, be it a coach or anything else. The fact that Dungy would basically preach his morality to a player he has direct supervision over is seriously troublesome, even if his views are shared by others.
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by PJS on Dec 1, 2010 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
He is doing this as a favor.
Doing what as a favor? I honestly might have missed it, but other than reportedly serving as a consultant and pushing Leslie Frazier, what is it exactly that Dungy has done here?
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by PJS on Dec 1, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying he has done much
But he also didn’t ask to be involved in the first place. I would consider his opinion of who would be a good coach to be an expert opinion, so really that is all he needs to do.
I don't know what he's done to promote the U.
Bottom line.
What has the guy done for the U? We hired a firm to find candidates and somehow asked him to “consult”. Does that mean at the 11th hour to ask “Hey Tony, what’s the real bottom line on this guy?”. Because there were plenty of guys who stuck up for Tim Brewster and said “yeah, he’s ready….give him a shot”.
OK, I’m off target there…but my main point, I don’t care about a coach who Tony Dungy is championing. Not at this point. I give his particular guy ZERO additional weight in this stage of the search, so I tire of reading “this is the guy Dungy likes” or whatever. I don’t care. Dungy turned down the job. Dungy, in my opinion, hasn’t done a lot for the program in the past decade during his hey day. Then I saw he told Indiana that he’d help them find a coach and it’s like “what? how can you possibly help two teams in the same conference, in similar dire situations, find a coach?”.
Whatever, it is what it is. I’m sure he’s a nice Christian man….and was a decent coach…..but I stick with my previous statement of “beat it, you aren’t helping”.
Oh, and TonyO
thanks for the updates. Good stuff. I say lock Mullen in for 5 years at $25 million for him and all coaching staff and let’s end this thing by day’s end.
Or go with Jerry Kill for probably half of that or less…
Great Plan!
If you’ve got a spare 25 million to donate to the school, I bet you can name the next football coach.
I jest, but that’s a real cost, if we think that Mullen and Co. are the real deal (at 2.5 a year for him/2.5 million for his staff?, does anyone know what the assistants are getting paid now?) then we should go for that route (and put a large buyout in the deal, I’d hate to see our side of that commitment get jilted for Michigan in 2 years or something like that if it works)
If he’s not going to be a difference maker, then 25 million pretty much ties the school to him for 5 years, that’s a financial marriage that looks more like a 5 year prison sentence. There’s pretty much no way the U could fire him.
Miami job update from Tom Deinhart...
“just got off the phone with one of Gruden’s closest friends, “he would be shocked if he took the Miami coaching job”
I have a hard time believing that Chucky would take a college job
If he’s looking to get back into coaching, I would guess he would be looking to go pro.
I would be cool with that
If Frazier gets the Vikes to finish strong I am sure he will get the job. If not, bring in Gruden.
I am in the "I just want this to be done with" camp
Let’s make the hire and let’s get on the recruiting trail. The more time we waste, the tougher the recruiting will be.
I am in the take your time camp
There is no need to rush to a decision just for the sake of being able to name the next coach. A lot of the guys being mentioned already have jobs, so they aren’t going to take over until January anyways.
AND...
…the only people all worked up are the media and fans. They are carrying out their plan, interviewing, doing background checks, etc. It’s not like there have been 5 new coach announcements and we weren’t one of them.
“I need to know everything immediately” is the only reason this even seems to be taking a long time.
Not sure Forde’s point in the ESPN article…for the same reasons I mention above….
From Mark Rosen of WCCO
Mark Rosen
Chatted with Marc Trestman this afternoon..he has had zero contact with the U of M and doesn’t anticipate to..he’s very happy in Montreal
17 minutes ago
Good I think. The masses have convinced me this isn't a great hire.
His long absence from the college game seems significant.
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by PJS on Dec 1, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Have you watched the CFL...?
It is more like arena football than American football. Also, good luck shaking the image of being a cold and desolate place after hiring a coach from a team in Canada.
Jagadinski (sp) would be a better hire that you think. He was a very good coach at BC and was fired for interviewing for another job. I’d be ok with him.
Also…you heard it here first… Bill Parcells!!
by Gopher Fan from Wisconsin on Dec 2, 2010 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
Please see
Grant, Bud.
There are numerous others who came from the CFL as well such as Marv Levy.
Head coaching is about leadership. Those are the skills you want in an NFL coach—not X’s and O’s.
Also, I wan’t really serious about Trestman—there are other guys I would choose before him. But I think he would be successful.
Are you that Naive, PJS?
No offense intended here PJS, but really? You hope that no coach preaches his morality to his players? every coach preaches his morality to his players, whether it is faith-based or not. As a former player in college (for the gophers) and professionally in Canada for eleven years, i can say that every coach I have ever had on any level has preached their morality to me as they tried to mold me into their idea of what a good player and person was. I didn’t agree with the morality preached by all of them, but that didn’t matter, even though I myself come from a particular faith perspective. What mattered was that they knew how to prepare me and my teammates to give us the best chance to win, to make good game time decisions, to maximize our talent, and to be a person of integrity that we could trust and seek to emulate as men and athletes. To take the position you are on religion and coaching shows that you either know nothing of the nature of coaching and team sports, or that you are only happy when someone is pushing your particular view of morality on others.
So why not give the tony dungy, especially since he was simply invited into this process as a consultant, a break on his religious views. Instead, let’s try to put our focus where it should be—doing our best to survive this excruciating process and to support the the next head coach as he tries to make the Gophers a winner again.
by Craig Hendrickson on Dec 2, 2010 10:47 AM CST reply actions
Coaching
Hey Craig. Good post. Let me flesh out my thoughts. Everything you describe about coaches preparing their players to make good game time decisions, etc. … Where I think a line can and should be drawn, especially at the professional level, is coaches, in this case superiors, using their faith, or lack thereof, to be pro-active in expressing a disagreement with one’s sexual orientation.
I’ve coached AAU basketball for the past handful of years with both boys and girls. I think my assistants and me were able to prepare them in the ways you described without intervening or judging their social activities. In many cases, for youth especially, sports are an escape of sorts. Why would a players sexuality need to be a topic of conversation? How would a lesbian basketball player feel if her coach preached his faith to her on that subject?
There are plenty of life lessons coaches can impart. Learning how to compete admirably is a great life lesson. Learning to deal with adversity is a tremendous benefit of youth sport. As is teamwork and learning to trust your teammates. I could go on and on. Proactively weighing in on one’s sexuality, to me, seems to be far more divisive than the other life lessons we can learn through sport.
In one way I agree with you. If a GLBT issue arose on one of my teams, I would work for tolerance, understanding, openness and acceptance. That would be me teaching or imparting my
morals. I think everyone would handle those decisions the best way they knew how if they had the best interests of their players in mind.
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by PJS on Dec 2, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
It's not like Tony Dungy preached much in the locker room (if at all)...
It’s just that he’s such a strong personality and everybody knew exactly where he stood on his religious views. People are often offended by bold people who are strong in their convictions. As for me, I respect the heck out of folks who have a view and don’t waffle about it in public. Tony Dungy is who he is, and he knows who he is. I respect guys like that, regardless of their views. Truth is, most of our culture is comprised of people-pleasing pussies.
This notion that Dungy talked about gay players in his locker room is a joke. The truth is that a reporter asked him a speculative question and Dungy gave him a speculative answer. PJS, you’re acting like he bashed gay people in his weekly game-planning or something… Costas asked a known Christian a speculative question about a polarizing issue and you’re killing Dungy because he didn’t offer up a weak-waffling answer.
Agree 100%
PJS…I think we are on the same page on the issue itself. It is just how it pertains (or doesn’t pertain) to Dungy where we disagree.
I think it's a pretty large stretch to say I'm killing Dungy.
I have basically asked / stated a few things here related to Dungy.
1) Asked what specifically he’s doing as a consultant. I actually have no idea. From what I can tell, it’s nothing.
2) That he annoys me. It wasn’t the GLBT issue I brought up. What made me roll my eyes towards Dungy was his judgment of Rex Ryan.
3) That Erik T’s comment had some information behind it, and that I strongly disagree with a coach, even hypothetically, stepping into a subordinates personal life and injecting his morality.
As I said previously I don’t doubt that Dungy is a good and honorable man. In fact, I believe that he is. That doesn’t mean that at the same time he isn’t flawed or can’t make mistakes. And, again, I think his potential handling of a GLBT issue is troublesome. That’s my view, and everyone is entitled to theirs. I’m trying to not be a “people-pleasing pussy,” as you would say Foobee.
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by PJS on Dec 3, 2010 7:16 AM CST up reply actions
Search over?
Just heard this and saw it on twitter. “Maturi and other staff members on plane right now that’s headed to Philadelphia.” Could this be to finish up contract talks with Al Golden and name him next coach?
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How do you know that Maturi was on that plane?
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Deductive reasoning...and total speculation
Which I believe are the same tools being used by the local media with this whole coaching search.
It was a Diversion...
…while he drove a nice bus down to DeKalb Illinois to talk to Jerry Kill.
I expect a press conference Saturday the 4th...
…to name Jerry Kill the new head coach. Friday the 3rd, the Huskies win the MAC. Saturday, Kill is announced as head coach of the Gophers.
Just sayin’….it’s as good as any other guess right now. Flight trackers and such are tough to beat, but maybe Maturi just wanted to ring the Liberty Bell before he made his final decision.
Jimipig you forgot to start this with "A source close to the situation told me..."
then it’d be as good as any other rumor.
"My sources are telling me that..."
… " the next coach of the Minnesota Golden Gophers will be one of these three finalists – Jeff Jagodzinski, Randy Shannon or Jerry Kill."
I know, but I got nothin'....
…other than my gut and desire to join the other idiots making predictions. So I guess I’d be the source on this one based on my father-in-law’s passion for NIU and him thinking Kill is leaving for sure this year…
Where is foobee, I need a hug.
Leach, Mullen, or Kill would be great
Golden would be good, but I think he’s gone as soon as JoePa dies steps down.
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Assuming a lot
I’m not sure the Penn State job is exactly locked down for Golden.
Golden is an excellent program builder (something that we need) but he’s not a slam dunk at Penn State. If I had to guess, Paterno would like to name Bradley his successor.
If the Penn State job opens up again down the road, It’s possible that Golden bolts, but he could also pull a Bowden and decline his dream job…it’s a lot to predict, so we should hire the best coach and worry about him leaving later.
Cincinnati
Ask Cincy if they’d trade the Brian Kelly Era because he left after 4 years.
It won't be that long
I’m thinking more along the lines of the Lou Holtz era, two and then goodbye.
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This reads like Mason/OSU to me...
…came here knowing if he could build it up a little bit, turn it into a consistent winner, the OSU job was his…had to be…..but it didn’t work out.
Is Golden another Mason? Mason had a pretty good track record before coming here. Golden turned lemons into mediocre lemonade in a mediocre conference.
Just tossing a few softball questions out there early on a Friday morning…or as Jerry Kill would call it, “Game Day”…
Logical Choices
Seems like Al Golden and Jerry Kill are the most logical choices and I am fine with either one. Maturi doesn’t have the stones to hire Leach. I don’t think we can worry about the coach leaving in a couple of years. If he builds us up and bolts, then at least we are in a better position to hire the next coach.
Wisconsin ties
Wisconsin OC Paul Chryst had an interview for the job on Thursday.
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by Minnesotasports on Dec 3, 2010 11:12 PM CST reply actions
Wow
Add this new name as well. Lou Holtz is interested in returning to the U. He’d be a good hire as well.
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by Minnesotasports on Dec 3, 2010 11:17 PM CST reply actions
Real shot
There is a real shot we hire Holtz too according to a report. Fulmer has also jumped back into the mix due to Tubby Smith wanting him. This is getting old though. One new coach jumps in the mix than a coach that was out a week ago is the favorite now. Hope it ends soon.
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by Minnesotasports on Dec 3, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
I would be pumped if it was Golden
He has done more with less and has Big 10 ties. He runs a 3-4 which I think could be great for us to get more QB pressure.
Chris Petersen, anyone?
That would be a huge get for the U. Better than anyone I can think of, except maybe Mullen or Leach, who was never offered the gig anyway.
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Petersen would be better than Mullen or Leach
He’s the absolute perfect candidate. If the Gophers get him I will happily swallow all of the negative things I’ve said about Joel Maturi and give him credit. Of course if they don’t get Petersen and instead hire someone lesser than Leach or Trestman or Mullen, I will go back to my belief that Maturi is in over his head in this job.
With all the secrecy
if Maturi doesn’t hire Petersen or someone as ‘wow’ ish, Gopher faithful will mutiny.
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Holtz rumor just smoke
It turned out to be nothing less than a rumor because of Holtz’s absence from ESPN and a quote he made about being interested in the job. Sounds like the next coach though is flying in tomorrow night and being announced Monday. Wonder if that’s just smoke too.
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