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Post - Signing Day, Pre - Spring Practice Depth Charts for 2010 - Quarterback

Two last bits about Seantrel: (1) it would be very interesting to quantify how much it cost Minnesota to unsuccessfully recruit him (perhaps we include the tuition and fees Tim Davis paid Cretin-Derham Hall so that he could enroll his son there and have unlimited access to Seantrel), and (2) maybe Brewster deserves a mulligan on the rest of the 2010 class, because had he understood he was fighting a losing battle versus Doggy Fizzle Televissle, he's have saved the hundreds of hours wasted on Sean Henderson's recruitment and would have been able to secure other highly ranked recruits (Earnest Thomas? Corey Nelson? Securing Josh Huff's hand in commitment - this proved elusive).

Well, enough about Sean Henderson. Let's talk about players who not only have spent or plan to spend a lot of time eating pizzas, playing video games, going to basketball games at the Barn, and taking stuff out of the U's budget, but also plan to actually play for the team we support and put something back into TCF Bank Stadium.

This piece begins TDG's attempt to formulate 2010 depth charts at each position, taking into consideration the returning starters and the incoming recruits. This is done in the hopes of understanding what Spring Ball will uncover, and what we have to look forward to, or from, this fall.

First up, the quarterbacks.

The Starter - Adam Weber (RS Senior) - Yes, he's the starter, and he better darn well be this fall. He didn't have a good year in 2009 at all, but we should understand the reasons why: (1) Fisch screwed up his throwing motion; (2) Fisch introduced a Byzantine hieroglyphic scheme which required Weber to take more time in the huddle to decipher and explain, thereby causing confusion in the pre-snap progressions; (3) the offensive line was deplorable, to be kind, and forced Fisch to take receivers out of route running to protect Weber from linebacker induced death; (4) no Decker? big problem; (5) young wideouts who needed to gel with their QB; (6) oh yeah, back to Fisch - terrible playcalling and a complete lack of understanding on how to rotate Gray and Weber to maximize their talent and keep momentum in the offense; and (7) back to those linemen, the rushing game was non-existent.

So, I expect Weber to improve this year under the new OC, Jeff Horton, who has quite a track record developing quarterbacks. If Weber were to revert to his form of sophomore year, that'd be good enough for me, and it's make me chuckle that we let Fisch go to work for that former Trojans coach. Watch Hasselbeck turn into 2009 Adam Weber!

The Backup - Moses Alipate (RS Freshman) - Hear me out. Alipate is a traditional drop-back passer, with a rocket arm, and is guru-approved. I expect him to be at a point where he could contribute this year. If he is, well, we should hope he's the number 2 and can get some time (perhaps in the blowout loss to USC or blowout win over South Dakota) in anticipation of 2011.

Wait, you're asking, where is:

The WildCard - MarQueis Gray (Sophomore) - I know. I have heard Brewster's bluster about a full-on QB competition in spring camp. I've also heard Brewster talk about an unchanged staff in 2010, that Roof was going nowhere after 2008, and that Minnesota would stay a spread offense after Tim Davis was hired. Here's what I expect: Weber and Alipate, with proper QB tutelage this spring, will solidify themselves as numbers 1 and 2 at QB.

Ever heard of Marvin McNutt? Yep, he was a QB in high school and when he signed for Iowa. Well, he's the same height as Gray, and you saw Gray catch that beautiful over the head pass in the Insight Bowl. Also, don't we need a slashing threat with Whaley off the team? Gray is a taller, slightly slower Denard Robinson (that freshman QB who wasn't Tate Forcier last year at Michigan) - a guy you need on the field more than 5 mixup QB options per game. Brewster and Horton should use Gray in multiple sets, with multiple looks, at WR, at H-back (remember that sneak against Cal?), at RB, as the WildRodent. Gray should only be used as the drop-back QB as a last resort or if Alipate can't handle it. Gray is the offense's biggest weapon and needs to get the touches this year. Brewster keeps him under wraps this year to the potential peril of his continued employment in Dinkytown.

This would also solve the "uh, will Alipate really be the starter for only one year at QB?" issue. Of course, this could all blow up and Gray could transfer after losing the QB battle in the spring. However, I'm trying to find a solution for this QB logjam.

The Signal Caller on the Sideline - Adam Lueck (RS Sophomore) - bless you Adam, but if you're ever in a game within 3 scores I will spin my own head Goldy-style.

The New Guy Here This Summer - Tom Parish (incoming frosh) - Six foot three, two hundred pounds, went to Hartland Arrowhead in Wisconsin (which means to me he's a preppy kid - for Hartland, think Eastview). I expect him to be in the incubator this year safe in a crimson shirt.

Pre-Spring Ball Grade: A. This is easily the most talented, exciting, stocked, and developed part of the team. There is a jam of talent between Alipate and Gray that needs to be solved, because: Weber for 2010, Gray for 2011 and 2012, Alipate for 2013, Parish for 2014 and 2015 seems to be one too many QBs. Solving this issue, however, is a problem worth having.

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Wow, a lot of optimism here.

I can see your points in all areas, but I’m not as confident in Weber. One of Weber’s biggest problems in ‘09 was accuracy, or lack thereof. THAT needs to be fixed if he is going to be taking the snaps.
Alipate has the skills, so it will be interesting to see what he can accomplish.
I still expect Gray to compete for the starting job and bring all of those skills that you outlined to the QB position.
I think Weber is the odds on favorite to start (if for no other reason than that he is a SR with 3 years of experience), but I’m hoping Gray pushes him for that spot.

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by JDMill on Feb 4, 2010 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

I needed a shot of optimism

A dream scenario would be Alipate beats out Weber at QB and Gray gets 15-20 touches per game.

by Texas Gopher on Feb 4, 2010 1:12 PM CST reply actions  

Why is Alipate starting the dream scenario?

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by JDMill on Feb 4, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Weber

If Weber is the starting quarterback, Brewster’s final season as our coach will be even more of a waste then it needs to be.

If everyone is correctly assuming that a 6 win season would be great with the schedule and talent we have, then why waste another year with a average at best senior quarterback. Youth movement, baby. Get either Alipate or Gray the experience leading the team. I’d much rather have them get experience under center this year so they are prepared when a new head coach arrives to start rebuilding again in 2011.

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by PJS on Feb 4, 2010 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

JG2112

not sure why you threw in that “preppy” bit but if it means he resembles Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, I will take it.

by Texas Gopher on Feb 4, 2010 1:50 PM CST reply actions  

Texas

The reason why I mentioned “preppy:”

I went to high school at Park High School in Racine, WI (other notables: John Clay, Brent Moss, Kevin Barry, Caron Butler). It’s a tough, inner-city school. In 1988 our school beat Hartland Arrowhead (Parish’s school) for the state titles.

It’s a highly regarded school from a high income area of suburban Milwaukee. Hence, “preppy.” And Parish does have the twinge of Brady to him.

by JG2112 on Feb 4, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Here in the HS football scene of Minneapolis, “preppy” usually means good. All of our inner city schools are craptastic compared to our outer suburb “preppy” schools. So I don’t think you message hit home quite as effectively. It just sounds like it’s a different situation here in the Twin Cities than it is in Milwaukee.

by Jayrome007 on Feb 6, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Weber/others

I think Weber as a senior and what he’s had to go through with this team deserves the chance to lead the 2010 squad… You don’t go with a youth movement too early, that is telling the team it is a wasted year and could lead to morale issues and a 2-10 season. If someone truly beats him in spring ball, fine, but he deserves to be the guy otherwise.

That said, I think by halftime of the Northern Illinois game, if Weber hasn’t shown significant improvement (USC not withstanding), we need to switch to the #2 guy for the 2nd half of the Northern Illinois game with the thought they would start from that point on. And by significant improvement I mean on the way to a 3-1 record and stats that at least are halfway between last year’s average performance and the Michigan State game (2-3 TDs per game passing, 225+ yards per game, not locking on to one WR).

I do worry if they keep Gray out of the QB spot he will transfer, so I’d like him to get a shot to win the job with Brewster letting him know one way or another he’ll be on the field.

by mraveling on Feb 4, 2010 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

"Youth Movement" will just not happen

that is for video games.

People within the team would never consider a youth movement or throwing away a season. You gain nothing by losing games. They’ll do whatever they can to win, especially next year when it is win or find a new job for the coaching staff.

Let there be an open QB competition and the best player will play. Makes no difference to me who it is. But at some point Gray is going to have to earn playing time, not be given it because he was a highly ranked prospect out of high school.

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by GopherNation on Feb 4, 2010 5:04 PM CST reply actions  

Teams go young all the time, in all sports.

They do so to build for the future if what is currently in place isn’t working.

And I think the Gophers would gain plenty long-term by going young at the QB position. That’s actually how Weber got the job in the first place. He was in a position to be a 4 year starter and to grow year after year.

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by PJS on Feb 4, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

they did the youth movement in brewsters 1st year

most of the players in brewsters big recruiting class from two years ago are ready to contribute. we will see if the talent actually developes this year. i think this will be a team will surprise most this season.

by tc_brent on Feb 4, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

youth movement when you don't have anythign else

teams don’t sit a three-year starting QB who is the teams unquestioned leader to play a sophomore who hasn’t played a meaningful series since his JR year of high school.

When there is nothing else (say 2007 when Weber was a FR) then you play the young guy. Weber has been inconsistent and he needs to improve. But to bench him for no reason other than to get Gray playing time, will never happen and doesn’t happan “all the time, in all sports.”

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by GopherNation on Feb 6, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

that is for video games.

Actually, have you played the lasted NCAA Football game? I love the series and I just wanted to point out youth movements in that game are also a poor choice as losing games only results in lost prestige for recruiting. You almost always want to go with the highest rated player at each position. I just wish real life players came with easy-to-identify player ratings. That would make things so much easier.

by Jayrome007 on Feb 6, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Jerrdogg

My thinking at the time was that if a RS Freshman Alipate is good enough to beat out a 40 game senior starter, he must be something special. Gray could not do it last year.

by Texas Gopher on Feb 5, 2010 7:11 AM CST reply actions  

The Coaches are Coaching For Their Jobs

They all know it. The best players will play, regardless if they’re true freshmen or 5th yr seniors. Saying that, I’d be shocked if Weber wasn’t the starter. He’s a known commodity and Brewster clearly doesn’t blame any of the offensive shortcomings of 2009 on him as he out and out refused to bench him or give Gray a real shot at replacing him.

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by Jeffrick on Feb 5, 2010 11:05 AM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't say that necessarily

If Brewster doesn’t put some onus on Weber for the offensive shortcomings then he is a far worse coach than any of us believe him to be.

2010 should be very interesting with Horton’s experience developing QBs and what that does for Weber (and the young guys for that matter).

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by GopherNation on Feb 6, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

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