Gophers vs. Muskateers of Xavier - OPEN THREAD
by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 10:15 AM CDT
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There were several upsets yesterday, can the Gophers add to the list of double-digit seeds winning? It is pretty interesting when you look all over the internet there is a distinct split between who picks the Gophers to win and who is suggesting Xavier will win.
Virtually every prediction by a human (columnist, blogger, President, etc) is picking Xavier to win. While basically every computer model or statistical prediction has the Gophers winning or at least ranked higher than the Muskateers. Kind of an interesting difference. I guess Xavier passes the "eye test", whatever that means.
I'm not going to spent too much time getting into his game in depth. We know that Minnesota is playing better over the last couple weeks. But we are still not exactly consistent, nobody knows which Gopher team will show up. I'm peacefully confident as I sit here thinking about the game. I know that Xavier is very good and they are used to the NCAA Tournament. I know they are balanced and talented. I know they shoot the three well and they rebound well. And I know we typically struggle struggle defending the three and rebounding. But I still feel OK about this game.
Keys to the Game
- And I used #1 for a reason. This is the big one. Get Blake Hoffarber going. When he scores 11 points or more we are undefeated this year, 14-0 by my count (20-1 if you go back to last year). That stat is hard to ignore and it's not a coincidence. When he is shooting the ball well defenses have to focus on him. And when they do then things are a little bit easier for Lawrence Westbrook, Devoe Joseph and Ralph Sampson. Hoffarber hasn't had a good game in several games so hopefully Xavier is spending more time gameplanning for the rest of our backcourt and The Hoff will get several good looks. I also know the Muskateers play good team defense and nothing will come easy. But the one thing that is very clear to me is that Hoffarber needs some open looks and he needs to hit them.
- Defend Jordan Crawford! Duh, right? Slow down the guy who scores 19 points per game, BRILLIANT! But so very true. Crawford may get quite a few points but he needs to really earn them. Make him work for everything.
- Establish the Paint. Sampson and Colten Iverson need to be physical and dominate the paint. Xavier's Jason Love is a big guy. At 6-9, 265 lbs expect Love to really by physical with our big men. I'm not as concerned about our centers scoring, but we need to rebound and we need to defend. Don't let Love control the boards or have his way offensively in the lane. He is a load and we need to be prepared for him.
- Defend the Three. Xavier shoots the three well, we often go in stretches where we choose to not defend shooters. If we don't get out and get a hand in the face of every shooter, we will get run out of the gym. This is non-negotiable.
So if I list enough keys to the game I'm sure at least a couple of them will be right. I'm excited for the game. According to FanMatch, which used 23 psychological and emotional factors to determine the best games to watch, we are the game to watch tomorrow.
I'm not sure if this will work in the Mpls market but her is the link to watch the game through CBS MMOD.
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6'9" 265?
Pound the ball into the paint. That has huge game for Colt45 written all over it.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Mar 19, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions
and Houdini act for Ralph Sampson
written all over it. He struggles against big/strong posts
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with #1
I think the most important is #4. We have won without Hoffarber down the stretch.
6 vs Indiana
3 vs Illinois
9 vs Iowa
6 vs Penn St
3 vs Purdue
I do agree that he helps a lot for all the reasons you mentioned above. However, when we don’t defend the perimeter, we get lit up. Our last 6 losses:
OSU: 12-22
Mich: 8-19
Purdue: 7-20
NWU: 13-36
Mich: 7-14
OSU: 9-20
That is a total of almost 43% from beyond the arc. Way too high. Four of those six losses weren’t even close (Michigan twice, OSU twice).
After defending the perimeter, getting rebounds is the next biggest thing. It doesn’t do us much good if Xavier misses a lot of 3’s only to get the offensive board. As has been the case most of the season, our defensive play dictates whether or not we will be in the game. When it is good, it is very good. When it is bad, it is very bad.
CBS in Dallas
Is showing West Virginia/Morgan State right now. I hope that’s just because the Minnesota game hasn’t tipped off yet.
I think Bo Ryan is starting the Tubby rumors
he can’t beat Tubby or outrecruit him anymore
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the boys are EXCITED
this game is going to be fun
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Xavier has come very cute chearleaders!
:)
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tell them I'm not too far from Cincy and travel there on business occasionally!
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Arena looks empty. So much for Minnesota fans traveling.
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Huh
I thought tickets were supposedly hard to come by?
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Those early games often start empty
Speaking from my years of experience of attending opening round games.
Hate that we always go to 2-3 zone on inbounds. I get it, but it sucks.
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I'm not so sure about the zone
I like switching it up, but we are not disciplined enough
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seriously
Hoffarber rarely hits the rim
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ha you might be right
but if he is scoring our whole offense is much better and can withstand decent shooting by Xavier
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Gophers look good on the boards so far
Playing with intensity. I feel like we sometimes get lackadaisical and that leads to blowouts (see Michigan and Ohio State this year).
ultimately
we need several guys to play well.
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Westbrook doing pretty good on Crawford
so far. at least no points for 55
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Good defense by Joseph
And Hoff missed a wide open 3. That won’t happen much. But if he is getting those looks, that is a great thing.
yup
if he get 2 wide open looks every 5 min that will mean big points for him
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
yes he was
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Morgan State is playing well
that could have been us had they not had about 10 min to warm up before the game
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that was after a blocked shot and scramble
that happens
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
GREAT helpside block
by Iverson.
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very nice
I’m saving that to my hard drive for future use
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
our posts have done
nothing on offense
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DG Turnovers
TAKE CARE OF THE BALL
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Xavier's bigs are more physical then even most Big Ten bigs.
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agreed
we can’t even get a shot off anymore
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Iverson needs to get something done
on #32
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at least 4
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
we've got some life in us again
I hope they stick with the two post for a while
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game of runs
6-8
Xavier goes on 9-0 run
Minnesota goes on 9-0 run
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5 blocks
three in the last couple minutes
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Zavveer
is shooting 19% for the game!
that’s not going to stay constant so we need to start controlling tempo
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Iverson is gassed
I have seen this before—-he is playing hard but needs a breather.
good thing
NCAA games have a ton of long timeouts
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Has it ever?
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that shot work for him.
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ralph needs to get a basket
one easy one then watching start owning the paint
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yes he is
that was a great block, followed by a nice put back by 32
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
that looked like a charge to me
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especially
when you are only being guarded by one guy, drive to the hoop and draw the foul
"they're calling insane hogs???"
Ralph's got the jitters
he needs an easy one to settle down
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he's 1/6
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Bostick is coming in
do you suppose it’s for Ralph?
are we going small?
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only better
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
grab teh ball
too many loose balls ending up in their hands
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I wouldn't say we are an ugly team
We can certainly be sloppy at times, but we don’t play like Iowa or Wisconsin.
The breakdown...
The Good…
Westbrook – 15 pts
blocked shots – 7
def FG% – Xavier shooting 21%
The Bad
Sampson – 1/6 shooting
Johnson – foul trouble
Joseph – 0/2 with 2 turnovers
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bad...
McLean with 10 rebounds!! that’s got to stop
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
my official stat sheet
says 10 (so there Rencito!)
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Ralph needs to be better on the defensive glass inparticular!
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yes he does
that is why Mbakwe would be so valuable. I want to see him clean the glass.
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Devoe
He had a bad first half against MSU last weekend and turned it around in the second. We need his offense in the second half.
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PJS just said it but I think Devoe has a big 2nd half along with Sampson. I fear that Westbrook thinks he’s “feeling it” and he’ll shoot poorly in the 2nd half.
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Westbrook played
a great first half. Tremendous effort on defense also.
A little off topic, but are you guys aware of all the Minnesota products in Jacksonville right now?
Three of Wofford’s best players are from Minnesota, Cornell’s leading scorer (and Ivy League POY) is from Eden Prairie, and then obviously Wisc. has Minnesota guys. It’s crazy.
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I KNOW
I want to watch that game for the MN aspect.
I wonder what the connection is from Wofford to Minn?
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
My understanding is that one kid was there and he just grabbed some AAU teammates to follow him.
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Both Leuer and Taylor have played with and against the Wofford kids.
I’m sure they know Wittman from Cornell too. Wittman is really good.
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Aldrich is a Minn kid too
he’s not in Jax but he’s on the best team in the country
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Man... someone needs to close the borders... jk
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Inability to close the borders is one reason Dan Monson finds himself at Long Beach State.
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LOL
Wisc will have their pick of Minn kids again when Tubby goes to Auburn.
Personally I think Bo Ryan is starting those rumors. He just can’t beat Tubby on teh court or in recruiting battle!
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
One team or the other will clean up their play
I hope it is us. I could see this being a 15 point game if only one team continues its sloppy play.
Gus Johnson
I really wish Gus Johnson was calling the Gopher game right now. He’s stuck on what’s turning into a blowout for West Virginia.
Ugh, I'll pass on Gus Johnson! Though he's better than our broadcasters today.
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I just enjoyed him getting all excited about Colton Iverson last week. Sometimes it’s nice to have an announcer that shows some enthusiasm.
Yes, he has a serious, and potentially inappropriate, crush on Colton.
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Still time left
Close tourney games are decided in the last two minutes. Just keep the margin reasonable until then, and hope for a run.
I prefer Verne Lundquist
Gus is good, but he goes over-the-top too often in my opinion. Verne knows when to get excited.
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Verne is the ABSOLUTE worst
I will not listen to that man call a game. I absolutely despise him.
Why?
I think Verne’s really good – plus he never tries to pull a Joe Buck and make himself bigger than the game.
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No, absolutely not
He is the worst. It is like he is watching a different game or he is senile, or both. His play by play is absolutely terrible. It is like he isn’t even paying attention to the game.
As far as play by play guys, I'd pick Kevin Harlan if I could.
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I'd also choose Kevin Harlan
If he was an option. Has he been calling any of the tournament games so far?
Devoe
for the first time I saw Devoe take it to the rim with dribble penetration and it rolled out——we need more of that—-Xavier is really overplaying on defense—guards have to penetrate and score, dish, or kick out.
Off-topic
Can’t the idiots going to Taco Bell in the commercials just look up at the menu board and see that the “special burrito” they want is up there?
Also
Does anyone else think those Miller Lite commercials when the guy loves his beer but can’t say “I love you” to his girl are stupid? What ad agency thought that was a funny idea?
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder that often
About the ad agency or the brand manager who approves the ad. I’m actually going into brand management after my MBA, and I will be sure that I will not approve stupid commercials.
The commercial that is bothering me the most right now ...
is the McDonald’s Filet o Fish commercial. The fish is basically asking you not to eat him.
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I love that commercial!
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but it makes me feel bad for the fish. Don't want to eat him.
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The McDonald's dunkoff commercial w/LeBron and Howard
Would have been funny if Howard had won and LeBron then confiscated all the evidence.
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprised Crawford's last shot
Didn’t hit the rafters. Enough of a rainbow there, Jamal.
DJ Swat
with another basket!
I can just start copying and pasting
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Johnson
Just altered Xavier’s offense just by standing there with his arms up after the offensive board
yeah
on that drive everyone needs to get to the paint adn then rebound, not watch teh play happen
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
we cannot play that fast
we really need to control tempo
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Crawford
Totally traveled on that play the commentators are gushing about.
Yeah
I didn’t think you could hop and then take two steps.
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
One quick thing:
Hawkeye State pointed something out to me: What’s a “Muskateer?” Is that like a Mousekateer? Or perhaps a Musketeer?
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Mar 19, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
nice
my three year old kept calling them the mousekateers
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
THERE was Sampson's easy one
nice play by Hoffarber
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DEVOE
answering and quieting the crowd! very nicely done
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I was watching the first half from a restaurant, and it seemed slightly more pro-Gopher
But I’m biased and may have heard what I wanted to hear.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Mar 19, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so
they are concentrated so they are loud and together. But I think there are more Gopher fans
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
no cause if he misses then the game goes on without the necessary TV timeout
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Good O from Devoe, but he, LW and Hoff need to do a much better job of limiting penetration.
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Hoffarber
needs to get some touches on offense as well. Let’s open up that paint.
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I am still not sold on Hoff at the #3 spot
we give up so much on defense and on the boards with him at the 3.
Wow
Nice rebounding from Hoff right there – like he heard you :)
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
Mbakwe at the 4
Johnson at the 3
would be awesome
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Lovel the 5 point possession
stole all the momentum that Xavier had
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Agree
Xavier loves the three – we’re basically inviting them to beat us with it.
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
refs are in awe of Crawford
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this is getting away from us
need a run here
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that's waht I was afraid of
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
what good does a backup PG do?
:)
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Xavier is just owning us on offense
we can’t stop or slow them
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except Iverson
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
I don’t like a three with no passes or shot clock run. He can get that look later in the possession
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Devoe generally shooting
Is questionable for me – he’s only at a 40% clip from the field.
by sportsnight on Mar 19, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Cornell is shooting 61% against Temple
Temple is like 3rd in the country if FG % def. Cornell is first in FG% offense
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hate it
we get sucked in too much, they’ll get open shots all day
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Out of bounds calls
Have been absolutely god-awful today. The refs need to get their act together on those.
does it come acros on TV?
just how Xavier can do wahtever they want on offense?
I feel lucky to be down just 6
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Holloway can handle the rock
he’s impressive
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I don't think we can win this one
They look like they want it more now.
"they're calling insane hogs???"
yes
they maybe don’t “want” it more but they are just executing better
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
you're right
Bostick hit a 3
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry
my page didn’t refresh
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
and it's not close
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Holloway is the 2nd best
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Westbrook looks disinterested
I’d like to see him come out.
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I've been defending Westbrook all year
And I’ll do it again.
One person says he looks disinterested and another says he is doing too much. It can’t be both. I think people just nitpick on him.
disinterested was teh wrong word
he looked dejected and like he was either going to take over or quit. He’ll try to do it all himself which is why I wanted him out
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
his defensive effort is NOT there
until he starts hitting shots, then he’ll start playing D again
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
SO?
5 min left and we haven’t stopped them yet, and we are down 11
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
if Hoffarber can't hit those wide open shots
it is going to be tough to come back. especially if they keep getting layups
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I think
1 – 9
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm wondering
If the refs will ever call a foul on Xavier when the Gophers go to the hole? These plays can’t all be clean.
Tubby rumors will happen EVERY year
this is going to be constant because nobody thinks Minnesota is good enough for him.
Maybe if he leaves Vince Taylor will be our next HC. I’d be OK with that.
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Westbrook is the best Gopher
Colt has been decent, but 2-8 from the floor. Paul Carter quietly has 7 rebounds.
I can see that argument
but I disagree. He’s our most capable offensive player but that’s where I draw the line.
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
One last chance to make a run starts after this TV timeout.
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Cornell running away from Temple
They will be a tough 2nd round match-up for Wisconsin.
Remember how they scared the bejeezus out of us last year? I think they were up double digits at half time at the Barn.
Xavier is shooting
56.5% this half
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Seems to me
the defensive intensity is not what it was teh first half.
I credit Xavier
They have decided to run on us after our misses. They took it to us when we couldn’t hit our shots.
yes they did
they’ve really pushed it and run right down our throats.
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Why has this happened so much this year?
It seems like when we lose it is because of horrific shooting. And it isn’t even from the outside. We just seem to miss a lot of layups.
we really abandoned the posts this half
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Needed that. Carter should have had more touches today.
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Huge miss
on both ends of the floor. Westbrook has been our best shooter and was wide open. Just didn’t fall. Like I said earlier, bounces just aren’t going our way.
that would have been HUGE
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
REALLY?
Bostick for Hoffarber?
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still
he gives you a better shot to make it than Bostick does
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Tubby was pissed that Hoffarber didn't dive for that ball.
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You guys needed to get on the floor there and grab that ball that was bouncing around like a ping pong ball.
Hoffarber just didn’t want it.
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moving on
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by GopherNation on Mar 19, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
bummer
looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue
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they controlled the tempo second half
they dictated and we couldn’t respond
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2/12 from the arc in the 2nd half (before that last possession)
so 2/14 or so
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I would say that game
was the perfect recap to this season. All our weaknesses were exposed and our needs made crystal clear. Unless help arrives, I don’t see next year being much different.
I'm opening up a post game comment thread
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