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Big Ten Expansion and how it affects the Gophers

Big Ten expansion is going to happen, possibly today with the expected announcement that Nebraska will join the Big Ten.  So now the stories of how this will affect the Gophers are starting to surface.

  • The Pioneer Press talked with Glen Mason about how this will affect the University of Minnesota.  Mason tells us that it "sure doesn't help your chances." 
  • Fox 9 News did a story on what this means for Gopher football as well.  They chatted with Dave Mona to get his perspective.
  • FringeBowlTeam chimed in on the subject as well using Sagarin Ratings to show that we struggle against good teams.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that adding Nebraska to the Big Ten does very little to affect the Gopher's chances of getting to the Rose Bowl.  Certainly the Huskers are an elite football program that will consistently be a ranked team fighting for a conference championship.  Clearly their program is in a much healthier state and will probably end up in Pasadena long before the Gophers will get there again.  BUT here is my point...

If the Gophers field a team talented enough to win the Big Ten in it's current state, they'll be talented enough to win the Big Ten with Nebraska.

Mason's notion that "it doesn't make it any easier" does not necessarily mean that is actually makes it harder.

The Big Ten already has elite programs that have blocked the Gophers from Pasadena in the past.  But to be honest the Gophers have done more to prevent themselves from earning a Rose Bowl trip than anybody else in the conference. The past few decades have seen Gopher rosters that simply were not talented enough to the conference. 

Occasionally they have made a run to get relatively close, 2003 comes to mind.  But a blown 28-7 fourth-quarter, home lead over Michigan cost them a Rose Bowl berth.  They beat themselves.  That year Nebraska finished 5-3 in the B12 North getting blown out by Texas and Kansas St.  They beat a 3-9 Penn State team at home 18-10.  A good team, not an unbeatable team.  Even with a win over Michigan that year I'm not sure Nebraska would have been any tougher than Michigan State or Iowa or Wisconsin that year.

Practically this makes some sense as well.  With the expansion to 12 teams there will be a division split.  Regardless of how the line is drawn the Gophers will likely be in a division with one of the typically elite teams and have a couple in the other division.  So assume an East / West split that would put the Gophers in a division with Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern and Illinois.   Obviously Nebraska is added to our schedule on a yearly basis which  is a difficult  opponent, another team to climb to get to a conference championship game.  But that also means they usually will avoid one of the elite teams in the Eastern division along the way.

The Armageddon season will obviously be the one where they miss Purdue and Indiana from the East.  But that will very rarely happen and it would be just our luck to have an uber-talented Gopher squad that particular season.  But again, if they are good enough to beat Ohio State, Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan then you'll be good enough to beat Nebraska.

Nebraska is a great program that becomes yet another team the Gophers will have to beat.  And it clearly will not make anything any easier.  But for the Gophers to even talk about the Rose Bowl they need to worry about what they can control.  They need to continually get bigger/stronger/faster and they need to start executing well-thought out game plans.  Worrying about adding another good football program that makes the entire conference that much stronger is a waste of time.  Let's first put ourselves in a position to win the conference, THEN we can start complaining about the addition of Nebraska.

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Mason is a hack...

He was on Barriero yesterday and went on for a good minute about how he ran a clean program at Kent State and Kansas and Minnesota. He’ll take any opportunity to politely throw the U of M under the proverbial bus.

"Nihilists?... I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude... at least it's an ethos."

by JDMill on Jun 11, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

his Barriero interviews are often very interesting

he takes cheap shots at the U but he can say so much more than he used to, I like listening to it.

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by GopherNation on Jun 11, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's always worth listening to

unless he’s taking questions from callers, then he gets pouty.

"they're calling insane hogs???"

by CrowTrobot on Jun 11, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gophers chances

I think our chances to win the Big 10 actually improve. Now that the conference will be split in half, that means we only have to be better than 5 teams (assuming 12 teams) rather than 10 to advance to a conference championship game.

by rencito on Jun 11, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Really?

To win the conference, Minnesota will have to defeat hypothetically, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, probably two of Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan, and then beat the top team from the East Division.

At some point, Minnesota might be able to do that. That point is at least more than 10 years away, given the current state of the conference.

by JG2112 on Jun 11, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep dreaming

All this does is make recruiting harder for MN now that they’re directly competing against Nebraska in their territory.

Having fewer teams does make things easier mathematically. You only have to get lucky in your up/down timing against 6 teams intead of 11. Then you have to pull off a miracle in a title game, but one game flukes do happen.

by DJL44 on Jun 12, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I kind of see your point

and almost talked about that. But JG is right and that was kind of my point. Until the gophers improve and take care of their own business…it doesn’t matter who is in our conference or division.

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by GopherNation on Jun 11, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather

be in the west than the east, that’s for sure.

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by GopherNation on Jun 11, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

In a six team division, there will be an occasional year when Nebraska is down. The other teams in the proposed West division have frequent ups and downs. I think this gives a chance for the Gophers to at least play for the Big Ten Championship once a decade. Sure, they’ll have to beat a great East division team, but that’s better than the current conference that requires them to get past all of them.

by Rumblebee on Jun 12, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

When's the last time

Minnesota finished in the top 2 in their football conference, which would be the best equivalent we’ve got of “qualifying for a title game?”

I’ll hang up and listen.

by JG2112 on Jun 13, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

In 2003

We were tied for 4th with Michigan, Ohio State and Purdue ahead of us. This could have potentially put us in 1st in a “West” division.

"they're calling insane hogs???"

by CrowTrobot on Jun 14, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I remember that 2003 game...

Minnesota’s hockey team was in Omaha that night, playing in a preseason tournament. Between periods, the Gopher fans huddled in the concourse around the TV’s and watched as the Weasels came from on that Friday night.

We’re looking forward to having the Gopher fans head back down I-35 then I-80 for both hockey (against Nebraska-Omaha) and football in 2011. Maybe they can figure out a way to coordinate the schedules so it’s a three-game weekend.

by Husker Mike on Jun 12, 2010 12:14 AM CDT reply actions  

huh?

“Between periods, the Gopher fans huddled in the concourse around the TV’s and watched as the Weasels came from on that Friday night.”

Can you repeat the part about all the stuff, when you said all about the things?

"they're calling insane hogs???"

by CrowTrobot on Jun 12, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I get for staying up late...

Try “Between periods, the Gopher fans huddled in the concourse around the TV’s and watched as the Weasels came from behind in the Metrodome on that Friday night.”

by Husker Mike on Jun 12, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

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