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Linebacker positional preview - Upgrade / Downgrade

Cooper_mediumThis is where things get interesting for your 2010 Golden Gophers.  It is my personal opinion that our ends are an upgrade and our tackles are an overall downgrade.  This position group is up for some debate. 

Your more optimistic Gopher fans hope that this is a perfect example of good recruiting and because of that we aren't rebuilding we are reloading.  Others will hold the position that you cannot replace what we had last year and regardless of talent this is going to be a rough year for our linebacker corp. 

Let's first take a look at what we lost.  Here is the quick synopsis...all three starters are gone, all three starters were in the top four for Gopher tacklers and all three starters combined to AVERAGE 103 tackles, 8 TFL, 1 sack, 1 INT and nearly 1.5 fumble recoveries.  All three were either drafted or signed a FA contract with an NFL team and are fighting to make a roster right now.  Those loses are significant.

Pos Starts Tackles TFL Sacks INT Fmbl Rec
Lee Campbell MLB 36 (25 as MLB) 119 11.5 1.5 1 2 signed with New York Giants
Nate Triplett SLB 14 105 5 0 2 2 drafted 5th round
Simoni Lawrence WLB 18 85 8 2 1 0 signed with St. Louis Rams
Totals 68 309 24.5 3.5 4 4

 

These guys were also leaders on the Gopher defense and were very good at playing within their responsibilities.  Campbell had a nose for the ball and contact.  Simoni was an athletic LB who did a nice job in coverage.  And Triplett took huge steps from his junior to senior year and really anchored the strongside and accounted for four turnovers. There is no doubt this was our best LB corp in a very long time.

But I'm not here to look back as much as I'm here to look ahead.  Replacing the departed seniors will be a two guys who saw regular playing time last year and then open competition for the remaining spot and second unit.

The weakside LB should be filled by Keanon Cooper.  Cooper saw action in all 13 games last year and had a solid year as a backup.  As a redshirt freshman he accounted for 43 tackles, 1 sack and 2.5 TFLs.  Those are solid numbers and in his sophomore season much is expected of him.  He not only needs to take a step forward in production but one would expect he will also need to step into a leadership role.  Behind Cooper will likely be redshirt freshman, Aaron Hill.  Hill is a walk-on who had an impressive spring and reportedly was pushing Cooper for the starting spot.  I'd be very surprised if he supplanted Cooper as numero uno on the depth chart but he will likely be a contributor.

MLB should also be a fairly easy fill.  Gary Tinsley saw action last year and assuming he is eligible he will likely be our starting MLB for the season.  He finished the season strong and recorded 10 tackles in the Iowa game.  This may be a breakout season for Tinsley.  He is good sized, strong and is well suited to play MLB in the Big Ten. Backing up Tinsley will probably be redshirt freshman Brent Singleton.

On the strongside is very likely going to be a competition between Spencer Reeves and Mike Rallis.  Rallis is a converted safety who may fit the mold but the sophomore is inexperienced with the position and probably needs to put on some bulk.  He always seemed to be around the ball in the spring game and was arguably the defensive MVP of the game.  Reeves is a third year sophomore who has been waiting for his chance to take this spot over.  The Skyline native recorded a whopping 160 tackles as a high school senior and Gopher fans hope his nose for the ball will shine through in 2010.  He is a talented player who needs to take advantage of this opportunity. 

So our 2010 linebacker depth chart should look something like this...

From Class Ht Wt
WLB Keanon Cooper Texas (Skyline) JR 6-0 210
WLB-2 Aaron Hill St. Louis rFR (walk-on)
6-2 210
MLB Gary Tinsley Florida JR 6-1 220
MLB-2 Brent Singleton South Carolina rFR 6-1 213
SLB Spencer Reeves Texas (Skyline) SO 6-2 221
SLB Mike Rallis Edina SO 6-2 210

 

Also likely to be in the mix for playing time will be Ryan Grant and Patrick Sveum.  Grant is a sophomore out of Eden Prairie, Sveum is a walk-on senior from Rochester.  I do not expect either to consistently be in the two-deep but I'm sure they'll see some snaps.

We also have a handful of true freshmen on the roster.  Dwayne Mitchell is a 6-2, 220 MLB type out of New Orleans who was one of my favorite 2010 recruits.  Willie Tatum is 6-0, 200 and is a fast OLB out of Ohio.  It is possible that they fight their way on to the two-deep but both would greatly benefit from a redshirt year.

Overall this is another group of gifted athletes who are certainly capable of individually having very good careers.  Tinsley, Cooper, Reeves and even Rallis are strong kids with above average speed.  They are capable of dropping into coverage and handling TEs or backs out of the backfield.  They are capable of stringing out running plays or sticking their nose in the middle and bringing kids down for short gains.

Their ability isn't what is primarily in question.  The real questions are about how consistent and disciplined will they be over the course of the 13 game season.  How quickly will they be able to read a play and get to the ball?  How disciplined will they be to stay within their responsibilities and not get burned with misdirection and play-fakes.  Will they be able to separate themselves from Big Ten blockers and make the tackle even when blocked.  The 2009 corp was very disciplined make the plays they were supposed to make.  We have no idea if the 2010 corp will be as disciplined or as productive. 

My vote is going to be that this group is a downgrade.  I realize it is the preseason when everyone believes that all 22 starters are going to take big steps forward and out-produce their predecessors.  But I just don't think that will be the reality this year.  Much like the DTs, I like this set of starters and the freshmen make me very nervous.  Cooper is on my short list of guys who I think will have breakout seasons.  And this group in 2011 could be very good after a year of seasoning in 2010.  But we are talking about right now and my vote has to be downgrade.

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Our 2010 linebackers, upgrade or downgrade?
UPGRADE - we are reloading with athleticism and speed
69 votes
DOWNGRADE - you can't replace three seniors who are all in NFL camps right now
85 votes
NEUTRAL - more mistakes but more big plays nets out
89 votes

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Slightly. Tough shoes to fill. LB last year was probably the biggest strength of our whole team. I hate to think what would have happened without that strength.

By the end of the year we will probably see improvement, but there will probably be some key mistakes early on.

by rencito on Jul 30, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

 You can’t replace the entire front seven and not expect growing pains.

Also, first comment on this board, but I’ve followed it for awhile. Keep up the good work.

I was just checking the specs on the endline... for the... rotary girder...

by Minnesota Fats on Jul 30, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

welcome

we love commenters, makes the whole community more fun.

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by GopherNation on Jul 30, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm kind of excited for the 2011 defense

might be pretty good…but we haven’t looked at our secondary yet.

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by GopherNation on Jul 30, 2010 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

We are used to

having a weakness in our secondary. Overall, we are looking to be a young, talented group. I see them playing well against the poor to average teams and getting taught some lessons against the brass of the conference.

by rencito on Jul 30, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upgrade

I had to pick it before JG did. =)
I hope it will break even, but I really do like Cooper and Tinsley if only because they have seriously cool football type names.

"they're calling insane hogs???"

by CrowTrobot on Jul 30, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

One question

I was under the impression Rallis had the strong side starting role locked down- has something happened to change that?

by MinnMarchDTF on Jul 30, 2010 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Rallis is the starter.

by Frod0 on Jul 30, 2010 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Rallis Will Be The Real Deal

I believe you are ring MinnMarchDTF that Rallis has pretty much locked down the Starting Spot at SLB but Coach Butler made it quite clear that he has five guys that he is quite confident in their abilities (Rallis, Cooper, Tinsley, Spencer and Hill). I find it interesting that Singleton was not mentioned by Butler because he looked to be a future STUD in the Spring; just needs to continue to learn as most Redshirt Frosh do. Frankly, I think this group can be really good and will balance out the experience lost in the ’09 class with some serious speed upgrades. Moreover, they will have faster secondary behind them. Overall, the D will actually be better than in ’09. I know it seems difficult to appreciate but the best way I can explain it is, SPEED KILLS.

by muststart28 on Jul 30, 2010 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

i think I’ve read this exact same post on another site in these here internetz. The uncomfortable and excessive use of the word “STUD” gives it away.

by JG2112 on Jul 31, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

STUD is an overused term in sports

However, it does not surprize me that you have read others comments that are similar or same as those that I share here. I tend to have well grounded opinions usually supported by good facts and information. Just for clarity though, I meant to opine that Singleton has great potential and a stronger than usual work ethic which will likely result in more rapid development. Not sure why you believe my use of the slang was excessive here though.

by muststart28 on Jul 31, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

can’t wait to hear your thoughts regarding the redshirt freshmen cornerbacks.

by JG2112 on Jul 31, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pardon me

redshirt freshmen defensive backs.

by JG2112 on Jul 31, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

redshirt freshmen db(s)?

There is only one, Kenny Watkins #28

by muststart28 on Aug 2, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, muststart28, I realize that Kenny Watkins, #28, is the only redshirt freshman defensive back.

by JG2112 on Aug 2, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Starter

That is a starting position we pretty much got sorted out in the Spring, I think.

by muststart28 on Aug 2, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 concerns regarding LB's

1) size (I know there has been some debate over the weight accuracies) 2) discipline—do these guys have the self-discipline to play their roles?? Yes speed kills, but only if used with the confines of the team. 3) leadership—-Campbell was a coach on the field— both X’s and O’s and emotionally. If I had a choice between last year’s LB corps over the potential of this year’s group, I would take the known commodity.

by Texas Gopher on Jul 31, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Texas i agree

The size issue is important against the conference teams like Wisconsin we play. I don’t really like the fact of having 210 pound LBs trying to bring down Clay on a regular basis. Although I have heard Rallis is a lot bigger then listed Cooper is a small LB and at 220 in the middle Tinsley is small too. Both Campbell and Triplett played at 240+ last year this year we don’t have a guy over 230.
The leadership is big. Who is going to be the coach on the field. I don’t like Tinsley at the Mike for this reason. It seems he isn’t the most intelligent guy on the team with the stupid things I have read in the news about some of his legal troubles. I like his athleticism and the way he plays but he needs to be able to take control of the D.

by DickTwin on Jul 31, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

forgot

I did vote downgrade but with the experience gained this year plus some bulk the LB position is going to be nasty for years to come. We got a big MLB in Beal who will be eligible next year plus a great recruiting class at LB so far. It really looks like a switch to the 3-4 is coming and the Gophs have a good group of young and incoming LBs.

by DickTwin on Jul 31, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neutral Is The Likely Result

Unlike Tex and D Twin, I guess that I am a bit more trusting that the coaches will figure out how to get guys ready to play. "Coach on the field’ comments are too often tossed about and many times are based on pur congecture. We have some very athletic guys that are faster than the guys last year and it definitely will may a difference which will balance against the inexperience. As to size, the listed weights are simply wrong and all I can say is that you will be pleased with the updates when they are noted. Finally, regarding on the field leadership; that does not have to come solely from the LB position and we are fortunate to have some guys that are very serious about football that will be playing a lot this year and we will see the impact of same on the field. Point is, guys will know what their jobs are and how to get it done.

by muststart28 on Jul 31, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

pur congecture?

Or, maybe the idea of a coach on the field is…….correct.

When Ohio State shut down teams a few years back, who was the leader of the D? Easy – Lauranaitus.

Don’t even go back that far – just think of Rolando McClain audibling his defensive coverages to account for opposing offense’s audibles.

A team needs defensive leaders and they are normally the linebackers.

And your obsession with team speed is fine, but just remember, there are coaches who are used to playing against guys FASTER than Minnesota’s. They know how to set up young, inexperienced players with speed so that they get burned on later plays due to their overzealousness. The key isn’t just speed, it’s controlled speed.

And the implication that it’s thanks to Tim Brewster that Minnesota has kids in the door who are serious about football is silly.

by JG2112 on Jul 31, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

PURE CONJECTURE

I had at least one other typo in there; I apologize and will try to type a little more carefully. This site has nice, detailed coverage that tends to have a more formal analysis and presentation. I like it.
Now, I apologize if you thought that I was attributing the fact that we appear to be accummulating student-athletes on the roster that take their S & C and preparation more seriously, to the head coach’s efforts in recruiting. I did not specifically intend to do so. However, there is an obvious relationship because his staff brought the players in. Lets be fair; if the players do not develop, this Staff will be criticized. Nevertheless, my only point was that we will see this year, on the field, the results of physical development in young players and their serious approach to game preparation. The fact that they are faster is a mere perk that will inhance the results. You are misinformed if you think that these young players do not understand how to use their speed to make a difference on the field of play. Moreover, if does not matter if a trick play works or not, for example. The fact that you have more speed to close on the ballcarrier is a potential gamechanging attribute. No one can or will argue with this fact. As for mental leaders that some fans seem to look for, I believe Rallis, Cooper, Royson and even some young guys will step up to the challenge. Hill is a very smart young man and Coach Butler compared him to Rallis as a student of the game; he may step up as well.

by muststart28 on Jul 31, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

There is a lot of conjecture in there.

I don’t think any of us know that these players take their strength and conditioning any more serious than the players they are replacing. I mean, all three of last year’s LBs are in NFL training camps. They are no slouches.

Misinformed if we think they do not know how to use their speed? How do we know whether they do or don’t? We haven’t seen them play in enough real game situations to make that call.

I like your optimism, though. Gopher fans need more of that; I’m usually the optimistic one to counter JG’s Debbie Downer, but on the field performance is what I want to see. I just don’t see how we are going to avoid at least some small steps back this year at LB. Cooper has proved he can play the position, but I’m not sold on the others for this season.

by rencito on Aug 1, 2010 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let Me Explain

I see your assessment as a fair one and I want to make it clear that I do respect and appreciate the talent of our Starting LBs last year. They were all seniors though and should have been at the top of their games physically. But with this younger group replacing them, there seems to be physical development at a faster pace, and they happen to be faster (which is a perk). As to how we know that they know how to use their speed, Cooper certainly is an example but I would add in Tinsley and Rallis as well. Speed and quickness was a significant factor considered during recruiting and how they used same was certainly evaluated. So, we can virtually assume that the guys that were fast coming in know how to use their speed to distinguish their play. Frankly, the key is how they play as a group which will make or break them and I expect them to fly around and make plays. I agree that we need some on field evidence from Reeves, Hill and Singleton.

by muststart28 on Aug 1, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bigger issue

Of the two deep listed, only Singleton and Reeves played the position prior to coming here. Cooper and Rallis were safeties. Tinsley was a lineman. They have not had the experience of honing their linebacker instincts yet. This matters a lot. Regardless of natural talent, read and react skills only improve with experience. I am guessing it will take about six games before they gel into a unit. I hope this 3-4 talk is just that. The line is the strength of this defense. Less LBs on the field, the better.

by Garrick on Jul 31, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Cooper never played safety in HS, he was a 3-4 LB next to Reeves. He was listed as a safety recruit because of his size and speed and was projected to that spot. Also I may be wrong bu I think Rallis was a HS LB. In any case he was originally recruited as an LB and moved to safety because of depth issues

by oleboy41 on Aug 1, 2010 12:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow,those guys are awfully small

I can see a real problem facing teams who can run the ball well inside,although with the talent at LB last year(and I think it was well above average),it did not translate into an improved defense overall. I suppose I’ll hope for a glass half full until shown otherwise.

by mahogma66 on Jul 31, 2010 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Weights aren’t correct. I’d suspect it’s closer to:
Coop: 220lbs
Tinsley:240 lbs
Rallis: 235lbs

by oleboy41 on Aug 1, 2010 12:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Downgrade for this season

However it’s after this season I would expect these guys to be really good anyways.

Ski-U-Mah!

by CrazyCollegian on Jul 31, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Likely Downgrade at LB

I voted for a downgrade as well and like most, I am hoping it isn’t too severe. I find it interesting that we are talking about last year’s linebackers as know commodities. Let’s not forget that Triplett came out of nowhere last year and he was a beast. We knew Campbell and Lawrence were going to be solid. We shouldn’t expect these Sophmores to immediately be as good as the Seniors they replaced last year. They should be able to hold their own as long as we get the improvement out of our DE’s that we should. (Nowhere to go but up from that group) As far as the speed comments, it’s not like last year’s LB’s were slow, they are in NFL camps for a reason. Expecting an upgrade is borderline crazy this year.

by Narby on Aug 2, 2010 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Expecting An Upgrade is...crazy?

That is a bit strong but I see your point. However, note that no one is claiming last year’s LBs were slow. The point is that we know that the young guys are faster overall. Thus, a neutral result in production on the field is a reasonable expectation. Actually, to expect a downgrade given what we know is probably more off base. None of the guys last year were all big ten 1st or 2nd team and only two were honorable mention. Lets be honest; the D last year was ranked around 63rd in the FBS. It is not shocking to expect improvement under solid co-coordinators that apparently have good chemistry.

by muststart28 on Aug 2, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great Points

Our expectations are so low that we look at a group that had 1 guy drafted in the 5th round as somehow irreplaceable. The only guy in that group that was even moderately recruited was Triplett. They were very good but the new guys have more raw talent and all have played extensively in important situations

by oleboy41 on Aug 2, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

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