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Austin_hollins-2010_medium Apparently Gopher Basketball practice was open to the media yesterday and we are being bombarded with updates from all the usual sources.

Marcus has a thorough recap of the point guard battle.

it certainly seems junior college transfer Julian Welch has every bit a chance to win the starting job entering the season. Welch was the first to play point guard with what appeared to be the starting group (dressed in maroon) Monday. Welch and Hollins also rotated at the position with the first unit, but Maverick Ahanmisi scrimmaged exclusively with the second team (dressed in gold). The starters Monday seemed to be Welch, Austin Hollins, Rodney Williams, Trevor Mbakwe and Ralph Sampson III. Andre Hollins then replaced Welch at point guard, but he also played shooting guard with Welch as the floor leader.

I don't think it is a shock that Welch and Andre Hollins will play a lot of minutes on the floor together, but at this point Welch appears to be the leading candidate to run the point. In the end I would bet that Welch and Andre Hollins will play about equal minutes with the hotter hand getting more on individual nights.  Mav will certainly get plenty of minutes as well backing up the point, especially if he continues to shoot as well as reported.

Marcus also has high praise for Joe Coleman declaring he will be a fan favorite.

I’m pretty sure he’s already Tubby’s favorite freshman. I can see why. The former Hopkins standout and Minnesota’s Mr. Basketball does so many things well. He hustles. He defends. He finishes strong. He has a high basketball IQ. Tubby said Coleman has surprised him with his outside shooting in practice.

These are just a couple of excerpts, there are plenty more good nuggets in there.

Speaking of outside shooting, everyone is going gaga over Tubby's comments that this is going to be his best shooting Gopher team. 

"I think it's the best shooting group I've had in a long time, I don't see any issues with the outside shooting at all."

That seems like really high praise, but I'm not buying it.  The best shooting team we have seen under Tubby was the 2009-10 season with Hoffarber shooting 46.7%, Westbrook 41.1% and Joseph hitting 38.8%. That team led the Big Ten in 3-point shooting % and was third in total threes hit.  Those three had a good year shooting but beyond that we had nobody who could hit the broad side of a barn.  Devron Bostick was a terrible shooter, Al Nolen only took 28 threes and was average at best anyway.  My prediction is that we will not match the team 39.9% from that 2009-10 team, but we will be a team with more than three shooters.  We will have guys off the bench and guys at other positions who can hit threes.  But I'll be surprised if we get even one guy who hits 40% or better.  We could put out a line-up of five who are all capable of hitting a three when we need it late in a game.  Something like Ralph, Oto, Austin Hollins, Andre Hollins and Welch is a decent shooting group.

I could be wrong, maybe all of the new faces in the backcourt will make us a very dangerous outside shooting team.

Improvements in that area, which will have to be fairly staggering to live up to Smith's claim, rely heavily on how Welch, Hollins and Coleman progress in the Gophers' system. Smith, however, insists it won't be a problem.

"Absolutely. That's the most impressive thing is that we helped ourselves significantly with the recruitment Andre, Joe and Julian," Smith said. "It's totally different in the attack on the ball."

Based on the stats the team has kept from its scrimmages, Hollins leads the Gophers in 3-point shooting, with Coleman second.

"I knew they could shoot," Smith said of his trio of new guards. "I wasn't sure about Joe, but Joe is one of our leading 3-point shooters -- five-out-of-10. He just takes the right shots and makes good decisions about taking the right shot."

This should be an exciting backcourt to watch. 

The last published update I'm going to link to comes from Ryan James at GopherIllustrated.com who talked more about the Gopher interior than the rest of the updates. 

Ralph is floating and playing more of a four it looks like. Struggling to score inside but hitting his perimeter stuff. Where this could get scary is if teams decide to put their five man (center) on Trevor and play their four (power forward) with a floating Ralph until Ralph starts taking care of business over the top. That means Trevor scoring over a player just as strong or stronger plus having three to five inches on him which would be harder for him.

Speaking of huge, Elliott Eliason is huge and the first team is having a nightmare scoring over the top of him. Elliott is showing he knows how to use his length, we know that he works pretty hard for a big, and thus far has looked like he can play some good defensive minutes off the bench.

Ryan is pointing out something really important here.  I think you will see Ralph outside of the paint more this year.  Now Ryan sees the potential negative effect of this, and there is some truth to that.  But I also think this plays to the skill-set strengths of both Ralph and Trevor.  Ralph is not a back-to-the-basket center, he is a finesse guy who can shoot from the outside pretty well for a big man.  Trevor is the opposite, he should never shoot from outside the lane.  Some nights this will work out great for us others it will not, I think it depends on the opponent/defenders.

It should also be noted that Rodney has been a terrible shooter thus far in practice and will not be contributing to the list of guys making this Smith's best shooting team since he has been here. 

Finally getting some actual reports out of practice is fun and it won't be very long at all till we are watching games at the Barn.  First exhibition game is one week from today against the Beavers of Bemidji State.

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it should also be noted

that Ralph Sampson won the 3-point contest at the All-Star Friday Night event. Either we have an outstanding shooting center or this team isn’t as good a shooting team as Tubby is leading us to believe.

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by GopherNation on Oct 25, 2011 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Ralph has always been a good shooter...

in warmups. Next time you are at a game watch him during the pre game shoot around and he rarely misses, but once the game starts he never seems as comfortable from the outside.

I think letting Ralph roam outside makes more sense when Mo Walker is in the game, but if it is he an Trevor than in my opinion other teams will leave there 5 on Mbakwe thus taking away his strength/size advantage. Ralph needs to be at lease moderately affective in the post consistently for the Gophers to truly utilize there front court.

by tc_brent on Oct 25, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let Sampson III shoot...

….there isn’t a center in basketball who will chase him out there. And if they do, who in this country can keep Mbakwe off the offensive glass? Or big Mo?

I think this needs serious consideration. At least in man coverage. Zone, hell, he can shoot over 3/4 of the country if they don’t get a big man out there. I love our offensive glass…even with Hot Rod’s athleticism…get Rodney, Mo, Mbakwe crashing the glass, get Sampson shooting 40% from 3….

by jimipig on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

AND...

…I’m still patiently waiting for somebody to allow me to get excited about this team. Damn negative gopher fans….damn you all to hell.

by jimipig on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Built for speed

To my knowledge, Tubby’s winning formula is still heavily predicated upon the idea that pressure defense will create scoring chances in transition. If you look at the roster, this team is built for speed, not for shooting. So, even if this is the “best shooting team” Tubby has had, they still aren’t going to be good enough to jumpshoot their way to wins. The hope is that they’re good enough shooters to keep the paint clear for Mbakwe, Walker, etc.

With that in mind, I have to believe the biggest determining factor for success will be the guards’ ability to pressure the ball on defense. Tubby mentions this in Fuller’s article when he says the with Welch, Hollins, and Coleman, “It’s totally different in the attack on the ball.” If you think about it, a lack of pressure on opposing point guards probably had even more to do with the Gophers’ collapse last season as Hoffarber’s inability to handle the ball, or facilitate the offense. Look at this roster and it’s obvious that it’s a much more “athletic bunch” as opposed to fundamentally sound players. To take advantage of that, it better start with pressure defense, because we have seen enough of Tubby’s half-court offense to know his teams will never be able to win consistently that way.

Journalism. Enhanced.

by MNdailyGuy on Oct 25, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

BINGO.

bingo, bingo, bingo.

Someone should be able to handle the ball fine enough, yadda, yadda.

But I’m most looking forward to Williams arena consistently blowing up this winter after consecutive 10 second calls, and forced turnovers. Think about the guys he can throw out there for a full-court pressure D… mav, welch, hollins, hollins, armelin, coleman, and rodney.

Boom. Good post MNdaily.

by InflectionPoint on Oct 25, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pressure defense is Tubby's offensive strategy

I agree completely. They missed Nolen’s defense and ability to generate turnovers at least as much as they missed his ability to hold onto the ball and avoid turnovers. They went from +turnover differential to -turnover differential overnight.

by DJL44 on Oct 25, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm planning a post on this

but the problem is, even when Tubby had more athletic backcourts he dialed back the full-court pressure when he got into Big Ten play. The real question is, will he keep the heat turned up all year or will he try to play “Big Ten basketball” when we hit January.

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by GopherNation on Oct 25, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

However his style of pressure defense isn’t full court press, but rather pressure the ball from the half court line to the baseline. He could do that with DJ, Westbrook and Nolen on the floor in 09-10 , but once Jospeh left, and Nolen got hurt they lost most all of the athleticism in the backcourt and they had to rely on zone, and a more laid back man-to-man.

by tc_brent on Oct 25, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

but it was at it's best when it was full-court

for his first two seasons he used FC pressure in the non-conf games then reverted to HC in conference play. Everyonce in a while he would pull out the FC and it would magically translate into points.

If he has the athleticism and depth, there is no reason to not put FC pressure on teams. He was incredibly fortunate to have guys like DJ and Al Nolen who made his half-court D better.

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by GopherNation on Oct 26, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly transitional game is critical...

…as we’ve all seen a deficiency in Tubby’s “set” offensive prowess. If we can get out and run, we’ve got athletes all over the floor. It also opens up the in-rythm 3’s on a kick-out to a trailer….

by jimipig on Oct 25, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Define "outside shooting"

To Tubby this may NOT mean outside the 3 point line although all your assumptions believe that. It could be anything beside a layup and that could change the whole picture.

by COJOMAY on Oct 25, 2011 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

This is what I thought he meant. He also did not say this was the best outside shooting team he has EVER had. He said the best in a long time.

by rencito on Oct 25, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

reading all of the tubby quotes

he followed up the “outside shooting” comment by telling everyone what 3-point percentage each of the guys shot during the scrimmage. He was referring to 3s

what you say here can, and will, be used against you The Daily Gopher

by GopherNation on Oct 26, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

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