Joe Paterno To Retire at End of 2011 Season
by GopherNation on Nov 9, 2011 10:35 AM CST
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We haven't commented or linked to anything relating to the child sex abuse scandal involving former assistant coach, Jerry Sandusky. But the allegations (and I only use that word because that is what they technically are at this point in spite of how very true they appear to be) are bringing down one of the most legendary college football coaches of all time. A few weeks ago nobody would have ever imagined that JoPa would be leaving coaching in any way other than on his own terms.
I haven't fully figured out how I feel about his involvement which was really a lack of appropriate action, but as a football fan it is unfortunate to see such a revered figure having this scandal as the end of his legacy. This is more than a footnote, it may re-define his legacy. I do believe that this was the right move. Let him finish out the season but then it is time to move on. Paterno technically and legally did nothing wrong but he could have done more.
"This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more. My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this university."
The effort to protect the image of the University and the football program superseded what should have been a concerted effort to do more than just remove Sandusky from the University. But their inaction is hurting the University and Paterno's legacy more now than it would have then and they are paying for it.
It is unfortunate on so many levels.
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This is really sad
Paterno is the only one who has admitted that he did something wrong/didn’t do enough in this case. It’s really sad that his historic career is having to end this way.
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Over the years I have mostly respected Penn State football. There were incidents in the dome and at State College vs the gophers that changed my opinion of JoePa and his staff. There were I believe two incidents where the gophers were called for penalties, very late pass interference penalties if I recall, once here and once at Penn State, and it was only after the official was berated to the point of abuse by Joe and his red headed assistant coach that the very late flag was tossed. The official was intimidated in both instances to side with the revered JoePa. Both times it essentially cost the gophers the win. I know Joe felt guilty because he reportedly went to the gopher locker room after one game and told the gopher team they actually won (but of course the victory stood for Penn State) if not for the bad call. Not class behavior, more in the Bobby Knight tradition.
by bobbyspringfield on Nov 9, 2011 10:55 AM CST reply actions
Terrible.
The university regents need to take action immediately to restore some form of dignity. Paterno should leave today. Anybody who knew a single thing about this should be removed from their affiliation with the school.
The school should then immediately set up scholarship funds for at risk youth, in addition to granting somehow these kids a 4 year academic scholarship.
The way they intimidated/buried the first kid or two. The police seem to have turned a blind eye. This story is absolutely tragic on so many levels. At the end of the day, you had these boys who were already at risk and mentally/emotionally damaged being fu&^ing raped in the showers at PSU, repeatedly, with PSU sideline passes and jerseys as compensation….and everybody seems fine with “well, I reported it up the chain, there was nothing else I could do”. That’s fine for “I know a guy sold his game pants”. Or “Few guys have some new tattoos, I’m worried about it”. But kids getting fu&^ed in your locker room showers by a grown man? That requires a tad bit more emphasis on reporting it up the chain…
I want to know why no one is talking about how McQueary
didn’t do more. He actually witnessed it. He knew all the details. He saw Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the showers. He didn’t even stop it. I would have put foot to @$$ so fast I would have given myself whiplash.
How did he not scream out “What the F@$& are you doing?!” when he saw this?
"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure what I would have done...
….the shock of it might make some human instinct sneak out to gather thoughts and figure out what to do. I like to think I’d do something, but probably would have been scared myself. I guess depending on if the kid seemed in big trouble….in which case I’d like to think human nature would be to protect him.
That being said, you see that twisted, sick shit about somebody gets run over by a car and 100 people walk over the body. There is something with human nature that is introspective and wants to protect numero uno first. It takes a real hero to put that aside and do the extraordinary.
Sad, but I can’t totally blame McQueary for his INITIAL reaction. Days later…when the dust settled….he can go fuck himself for not doing more…not making sure this got taken as far as he could possibly take it..police, state senator, congress, president of the school, police, lawyers, whatever….
I just think that no one talking about what the eye witness should have done
speaks volumes about the lack of clarity we have in both our own perception of events and the journalism of today.
The person who had the largest responsibility was McQueary. Who comes next depends on who was told what. If McQueary told Paterno everything in all of its hideous details, then he would be the second largest responsible due to timing. But considering that the AD and VP of Finance overseeing the unniversity police called McQueary in for questioning, I am tempted to put them above Paterno in the order. Not to mention that they tried to cover up the crime.
Paterno is only secondarily responsible for not directly reporting this to the police (unless he told McQueary to not report it directly…much bigger problem there). He didn’t directly cover anything up or not report anything he actually saw.
This thing even goes as far back as to involve the PA Governor, AD, VP of Finance and god only knows who else. I just hate to see everyone piling on top of Paterno because they feel like he should have done more because of their higher expectations of his behavior. It is giving this whole thing a slant that likely isn’t even there.
"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
There are a lot of filthy hands in this.
I just hate that I have to find myself defending Paterno
That’s not to say he isn’t partially responsible, but that too much public anger is directed at him personally and it is disproportionate to his inaction. Criticism is warranted, but making him the central figure in all this is simply dishonest…at least from what I can gather.
"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
ME
I would have beaten Sandusky to within an inch of his life, good fucking luck finding a jury to convict me of assault considering the circumstances. No doubt in my mind, I may have even killed the mother fucker.
Yep....fatherhood has made me 100x
the anti child-abuse man I was before I had kids. I always thought it was bad, but never felt the pure blind rage toward the subject that I feel now that I have 2 boys. It puts protecting children and their innocence on a whole nother level.
Bobby Knight
would have walked into Sandusky’s office and ripped his balls off. Don’t compare JoPa to Bobby Knight.
I know what you meant….his sideline tirades….but Bobby Knight is a man’s man. i can’t imagine how he would have reacted if he had an eye witness tell him one of his coaches raped boys in the showers.
I don't see how JoePa can be on the sidelines
I would advise him to resign immediately. It will be awfully awkward if he stays. I am planning on betting agst. PSU from here on out.
I’m guessing something changes between now and the weekend, and he doesn’t coach another game.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Nov 9, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
HAS to, right?
Like this was a first attempt to feel out the waters…..but they will get torn into oblivion over the next 48 hours and he will step down immediately. It just HAS to play out like that.
yeah can you imagine the reaction to him running out of the tunnel, either at home or on the road? Chorus of boos doesn’t even begin to describe it. Surely their President/Board of Governors doesn’t want that kind of attention for the program and for the school.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Nov 9, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Tejas, yes!
My buddies and I were saying the same thing…bet against PSU ASAP. They’re going to have to be a total mess, right? Mentally? There is just no way in hell to focus.
McQueary is getting a pass as being almost a victim himself. Boo whooo…nobody listened to me. Wasn’t he already graduated? A man himself?
JoePa will crush his legacy with each day he stays on this job. He needs to step down immediately.
I hope opposing fans are relentless in their harrassment of this team and it’s staff. These kids will NEVER recover from this. Their mothers/fathers will never recover. Horrific lifetime of therapy picturing this big physical guy raping you over and over….the mental torture of him scaring the shit out of you. Adults telling you that you are lying, making it up, defending the monster. Every game you hear about PSU makes you vomit and get cold sweats. This shit is real, yet PSU students are outside JoePa, Mr. PSU’s house chanting their love for that old piece of shit? That is sick, twisted shit. Adds to my disdain for most human beings.
And the Board of Trustees
comes out of this looking like total clowns, enslaved to Joe Paterno. Unable to perform their proper duties. They will forever regret letting Paterno stay-on to finish up this season.
He's got to go now
If nothing else, for the appearance that he might have been just fine with his “superiors” doing nothing about this because it gave then a chance to avoid a scandal.
Should be shitcanned immediately, and the rest of the administration and football staff really ought to follow him into the can.
Terrible fucking story all around.
Sickest story I have come across in a while
Anyone who knew about this should be fired immediately. This kind of stuff seriously makes me want to puke…
Hindsight is 20/20
Who can say what Joe did was right or wrong – he got second hand knowledge and followed the law in passing the information up to his boss, who was supposed to take care of it. At that point, he had two options. A) Tell the police and run the risk of being wrong and turning this into a Duke Lacrosse team scandal, or B) Do nothing and go through what’s going on now. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
MEh
Not really what I read on what happened. Joe Pa seemed indifferent on the “punishment” of Sandusky, which if I read it correctly was not to bring kids to campus. Which says go do your thing but do it elswhere. LEgally Joe Pa is in the clear, but morally he was wrong. He needs to put himself and anything PSU related secondary and get out of the light, just go away and take that portion of the drama off the table. Each minute he stays only fans the fire and there is nothing good that can come of it. Nobody is going to say, hey, way to stick it out when the season ends…it will just fuel more animosity that football is more important that 10 year old children and their families. Perception in this case will be reality. And right now the perception of PSU and Joe Pa is dragging bottom.
My thoughts are that there is more to the story and their may be some dirty laundry regarding the program that Sandusky has and he played that card when he got caught. How else could so many educated adults allow him go on with this unless they were covering their own asses in some way. Thats one of the only ways I can wrap my brain around this atrocity towards these innocent children. Makes me fucking sick and I cant stomach any kind of defense of any kind in this.
The last paragraph
Im thinking in this way based on the Dave Bliss story at Baylor back in 2003…the murder coverup…another unbelievable but true story….google it…its just bad, but this shit takes the cake.
There was an ESPN Article about it today
Good read
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Could be
But I think it’s simpler than that. I think Curley, JoePa, et al just thought they could try to avoid this scandal by covering it up.
Tight knit town...
…cops know everybody, “no reason to make a big deal out of this guys! Come on…guys? I’m sure we can just look the other way here, right? Nothing is on camera is it?”
These are troubled boys...
…nobody will believe them. Who knows if they’re telling the truth? Maybe it wasn’t what he thought he saw….
I can hear these hick fucks talking like this and it makes me want people dead.
We'll see
JoePa’s got my trust until something else comes out…
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
To be clear
I don’t think JoePa took affirmative steps to cover things up. I just think that having reported it up the chain, he was fine with nothing else coming of it.
That excuse might fly if all of the allegations pertained to something that happened three weeks ago.
Once you hear about something so awful as this, and pass it up the chain, and keep seeing the guy on campus for years and years, you never have second thoughts? It never concerns you? You never do any follow-up whatsoever?
Paterno probably didn’t break the law as far as I am aware, but he sure as hell was willing to look the other way.
It's a tough, lose-lose situation, regardless
For JoePa – your coworker and a man you’ve trusted for 20+ years is accused of molestation by another coworker of yours, and you report it to your boss, and nothing happens, the logical conclusion in my mind is that it was taken care of by them or a big misunderstanding.
It would probably concern me if nothing changed and I heard the undistilled story from the graduate assistant, but nobody is sure about exactly what was told to who. It could be that everybody knew every detail and it was gross negligence top to bottom. It could be a giant game of telephone where the story was dumbed down until it reached the top and it was to dilute to raise any eyebrows.
Like I said – hindsight is 20/20. JoePa’s acknowledged that he probably should’ve done more, but you can’t run him out of town with the amount of uncertainty there still is around.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
You left out the biggest loser
Which is the kid that wouldn’t have been raped if Sandusky had been found out sooner.
And, just as a technical matter, they can run JoePa out of town for this, uncertainty and all. In fact, I don’t know how the University, which depends so much on public support, could do anything else. They can’t just live with the insinuations.
But I agree with you that JoePa might have just assumed it was taken care of. The trouble is he has reasons that we don’t approve of for why he might have been happy to make that assumption instead of making sure it was addressed. If keeping his friend or his program out of trouble was part of his thinking, or, frankly, if everyone is going to assume that they were, then he has to go for the sake of the University’s reputation.
But the telephone analogy only goes so far. Schultz and Curley spoke directly to McQueary. They don’t get the telephone defense (and that’s one reason why they’ve been charged).
You can and absolutely should. Paterno heard directly from the GA that the GA saw Sandusky in the midst of raping a kid.
Both of those people were still welcome in PSU football facilities years later, and held in positions of trust by Paterno.
What the shit!?
I was an RA at the U and had to deal with some similar situations, putting me in JoePa's shoes
Because of the law and interfering with any investigations by the police, it’s recommended to stay out of it if somebody comes to you after noticing or being the victim of something like that. You just hand it up the chain and let the person on top deal with it and stay the F away, which is what the largest debate is about here
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
OK Ill give you that
But at some point wouldnt you look around and say to yourself, hey isnt that the guy that was raping children in our showers and become so fucking ill and furious at the same time? That you could knowingly be in the same fucking room, let alone same building or state as that shit bag. I think that is what Im most dumbfounded by. I heard the question on Dallas radio today….what if it was Joe Pa’s grandson? God knows Sandusky had access to a lot of the coaches kids on his staff….Its one thing between adults, but when children are involved he needed to do more and advocate for those kids. Or at least start by getting that sick fuck as far away from him and his team as possible.
looking at this only from the child's point of view will skew
your perception of the facts. I think everyone is erring by making Joe Pa the central figure in all this. Someone comes to you to tell you something horrendous about a friend. That person who told you just witnessed someone like an uncle doing something horrendous. So horrendous he didn’t even forcibly stop it and immediately call the police. If McQueary was that traumatized by this, do you really think the level of detail he would have told Joe Pa would be crystal clear? I don’t.
I find it disheartening that everyone is talking Joe Pa when the #1 culprit is McQueary. He more than anyone else enabled this. Joe Pa has now been fired for following PSU’s employee policy. Why does that policy not include having the witness immediately report events to both the police and your supervisor? PSU as an institution put Joe Pa in this position because of its lame ass policy. This is all a damn shame for almost everyone associated with PSU and the victims.
Let this be a lesson that company policies matter. They impact real life and when a company (any company) attempts to insulate itself real people fail to get justice. There should be institution-wide charges based upon the negligence incurred by that policy. Maybe then they will change it due to perceived legal liability.
I don’t like having to defend Joe Pa here for failing to do his best. I’m an Eagle Scout and I would have immediately broken it up and called the police in McQueary’s position (even if it was my own father) and would have made damn sure that any witness called the police if I were in Joe Pa’s shoes. I would have handed him the phone after dialing it for him. Damn the policy. But I can also see many scenarios where a lot of people wouldn’t. People see the image of the child in their head and immediately get pissed because they can’t imagine the murky impact that actually knowing the perpetrator has on your decision making process.
The real guilt resides in details that haven’t been revealed yet. Patience is a virtue in this instance.
"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 10, 2011 6:10 AM CST up reply actions
No
The #1 culprit is Sandusky. If you want to rank after that, I’d go with the university president, the AD, the university VP, JoePa, the Mcqueary. Those who get reported to but do nothing are more culpable than those who do what they are supposed to and report.
But I really doubt that Joe felt constrained by any policy. Because we are being charitable when we say that there is anyone “above” him on that campus.
I'm with you on Sandusky
but the guy who witnessed it has his own moral decision to make regarding his actions. Everything everyone else “knows” has to go through his filter which makes him more responsible than they.
Putting JoePa before Mcqueary is complete BS. JoePa made an error in judgement and has now paid for it with his job and tarnishing his legacy. McQueary hasn’t paid for anything.
"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 10, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
mcQueary should go too. But he told his boss. And then his boss’s boss and the guy who oversaw the campus police.
JoePa gets more responsibility for being higher up the chain. That’s how it works. With power and responsibility comes, well, responsibility.
McQueary is the one non-victim in this story with the least power and the one who did the most to bring this to light.
power doesn't mean anthing here
Does McQueary not have a damn phone? Could anyone prevent him from making that call? He had ALL of the details. JoePa had hearsay. McQueary was the eye witness who could have gotten this ball moving. Had JoePa called, the police would have had to have reached out the McQueary anyways.
The PSU organization chart has jack and s&^% bearing on civic duty and individual responsibilities in this matter. This was a crime, not a violation of school rules.
"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 10, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Obviously he does
He used it to call his father, and then Paterno.
I question his father’s advice to go to JoePa instead of the police, and I question why McQueary didn’t do something to stop what he saw at the time. But that doesn’t change the fact that he is still the one who made the most effort to do something about it. He did get the ball moving. He handed it off to his superiors, who promptly dropped it.
You keep saying JoePa had “hearsay.” He did not. He had an eyewitness telling him what he saw. No one is saying he is supposed to go to the cops and tell them that Sandusky was raping a kid in a shower. What people want is for JoePa (and his superiors) to make sure that McQueary told his story to the police.
on that I completely agree
I would have dialed the phone for him. And on that grounds I understand and agree with the dismissal.
I would have handled the relieving of duties in a slightly different manner, but one way or another JoePa wouldn’t have coached another game this season regardless and most likely ever once the internal investigation was done. But that is symantics at this point with much bigger issues on the table. I am of the mind that all responsible parties should be at least temporarily relieved of their duties.
My contention was merely that the media and general commentary was focused on JoePa when there were many moving pieces to this and a more comprehensive commentary was warranted to truly grasp what the hell went wrong. Until we completely understand that there is no way that PSU and other organizations can change the “just pass the info on up the ladder” policies. Everyone needs to see how that policy can and why it fails.
Those policies work fine for potential NCAA violations, but less so for actual crimes.
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by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 10, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I kind of agree
JoPa could have done more but on my list of people who piss me off in this situation he ranks at least 4th or 5th. I think moving on is the right move but allowing him to finish out the season is not a travesty or a slap in the face to any of the victims. Sandusky, the president, the AD and the former grad assistant all could have done more as well. JoPa seems like he was the only one who attempted to do anything.
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by GopherNation on Nov 10, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
I think McQueary attempted to do as much as JoePa
but had the greater responsibility due to being the actual witness. People can claim that JoePa being higher up means he has greater organizational responsibility, but McQueary had a civic duty that he simply failed to compy with.
From an organizational standpoint McQueary did more in relation to their responsibilities, but in regards to their civic duties (which is the reason more people are actually pissed) JoePa did just as much overall as McQueary. Except McQueary had the larger civic duty and hence failed more significantly. You just can’t get around that from a third party point of view a witness should contact the police. It was his responsibility not JoePa’s and he didn’t do it.
That’s how a society of laws is supposed to work, right? Society isn’t the damn military where you just pass it up the chain. We all individually have responsibilities. McQueary failed on that basic of human levels, which is why I put him at the front of the list right after Sandusky.
"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 10, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, of course. You continue to sign off on their paychecks or their key renewal forms for, let's be clear here, the next ten fucking years.
You get to keep one of them. You cannot reconcile the two positions. One of the parties is lower than mud. Whether it’s a child rapist or someone who accused an innocent man of same, someone is a real piece of shit. You don’t get to keep both around in the interests of maintaining a stable football program or whatever.
There are lots of bad people in this story and Paterno is absolutely one of them.
Yes
And I dont think I have read or heard that Joe Pa did not believe the GA, so he had to have believed him in some part that he went to the AD. Just a head scratcher.
I don't see your exposure
In going to the cops.
Paterno heard from the GA
but he used words more like inappropriate/fondling, etc. Still entirely unacceptable, but totally different than s*domy. Which was used not in Joe’s presence the meeting with GA and superiors.
by InflectionPoint on Nov 10, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Sodomy is not a swear
Not a word I like, because of how some people use it, but I don’t think it’s something to be censored.
huh?
How would telling the police, or taking the witness to the police, have “turned this into the Duke Lacrosse team scandal?”
And you missed the possibility that he reports it, they investigate, and Sandusky is prosecuted and no longer raping children. What part of that is “damned?”
JoePa seems to have done the minimum required of him by the law. The question is whether it’s appropriate to expect him to do more than is required to keep his job. When it comes to a report of the anal rape of a young boy, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect more.
What I said to Erik above
With the benefit of what we know how, JoePa should have done more, which he readily admitted. Back then, nobody knows who knew what. You can’t go around accusing people of being child molesters on second-hand hearsay, and I’m willing to give JoePa the benefit of the doubt and assume he thought it was taken care of, because he wouldn’t have visibility to the actual investigation if he wanted to follow up on it anyways, since he was not personally involved in any actions besides notifying the people who should have taken care of it the first time.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
The facts will come out
I hope to god JoePa was oblivious of it all, but I’m going to reserve judgement until it all comes out… if he’s guilty, he’ll reap what he’s sown though, and won’t get an ounce of pity from me
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Er...
Also, being accused of rape is pretty serious and ruins lives – ala the Duke Men’s Lacrosse team. During the trial, all the charges were dropped because it turned out the victim lied about it and the prosecutor manufactured/manipulated evidence. Now a bunch of the team and coaches have launched and won civil suits against the police department, Duke University and the City of Durham, NC.
It’s one of those things where you’re swinging a very heavy hammer, you’d better hit and you’d better be right
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
I really don't see the Duke parallel
As you say, there the prosecutor had an inappropriate agenda. I don’t see how picking up the phone and putting a witness in touch with the cops is swinging at anyone.
I was referring to the consequences of being falsely accused
They had to deal with the public, relentless press attention and had to change their lives and will always be remembered as accused rapists, despite committing zero crimes.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
So a witness should keep quiet?
As I said, I don’t see the parallel to JoePa.
The link
is that JoePa would be highly reluctant to put a friend through that type of scrutiny under anything less than absolute proof. What if someone you knew for a couple years came to you to tell you he saw your brother raping a kid. What would you do?
"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 10, 2011 6:14 AM CST up reply actions
Right
And that’s why he was fired. You don’t get to chose to protect your friend over kids who are being raped. That’s true even if prosecutors sometimes do bad things.
Again, hindsight is 20/20
At the time, JoePa (presumably) knew nothing about anything involving Sandusky and kids, so it was very likely a wacky accusation out of nowhere.
My point is, it’s really easy to judge morality now that we’ve seen the grand jury’s report and there’s a history of instances and witnesses coming forward, but without the benefit of what we know now, it’s a toss-up between two people JoePa probably trusted very well with no easy answer.
People do stupid shit all the time, but everybody has their reasons for doing it. Those reasons are what we’re waiting to find out
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
If it was a wacky accusation out of nowhere, then he should have shitcanned the GA immediately for dragging an innocent man's name through the mud.
Not had him on his staff a decade later.
JoePa wasn't a witness though
When it’s one man’s word against another. You can’t be jumping to conclusions based solely on hearsay, which is why you get the authorities involved.
Unfortunately, it was done with minimal effort or follow-through, which is the big issue here.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
The point for JoePa
Is not to try to judge credibility for himself, but instead to get the McQueary in front of the right authorities and let them make those decisions.
By the way, the way, it doesn’t seem to be one man’s word against the another because at this point it doesn’t seem that anyone talked to Sandusky about it.
Then one man's word against another's reputation
We’re splitting hairs
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Right...
And I admit I am trying to find the “not-as-bad” in Joe, but in this part of the argument its important to remember the GA came in a day later and used words like “inappropriate and fondling” instead of rape and sex.
Whatever, splitting hairs.
by InflectionPoint on Nov 10, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I certainly don't diagree
I just thought about it too much to really take a side anymore – there’s way too much out there that’s either unsaid or misstated to pay close attention to…
It’s a crap situation all around and hopefully everybody gets the justice they deserve
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
I'm not sure it's second hand
When you eye witness has told you personally. Again, all he’s got to do is put the witness in touch with the cops.
It's the stories the mothers tell recounting the details
that make me vomit. They were trying to get people to listen. The one who had a cop in her house while Sandusky sat in the other room confessing to her, but cops did nothing. It’s the people telling these boys who were raped “go away, you’re f’d up and nobody will believe you, keep your mouth shut or your life will be ruined”. Do any of you remember what it wasl ike to be 10, 11, 12…hell…even 14, 15 years old? When adults did bad shit it fucked you up. You had no confidence to stand up. You did everything to stay out of trouble and out of the limelight…that’s why all these people should rot, literally, in prison. The cops. Administration. They played a hand in absolutely ruining the lives of now up to 20 boys? Probably more….totally mind-fucked their entire lives because of these people trying to protect the program. And all they say is “dude, buddy, you can’t be raping little boys in our showers….come on man, please take them other places to do that stuff”.
Penn State football is pure garbage at this point, corrupting an entire state. All the way up the chain. And Paterno has the fucking stones to feel he owes it to this group of guys to stay on as coach? BULLSHIT!!!!! I say he never makes it to Saturday as coach. And if for some reason he does, he never makes it to Monday as coach.
Joe Paterno finishing out this season is a middle finger to each kid who got raped and by extension, to their families. His little “whoa is me” bullshit needs to disappear where shitheads in the state of PA can continue to worship him and give him a free cup of coffee when he goes out for breakfast. I’d piss on his shoes if I saw him today.
We were right!
Didn’t make it to Saturday.
by jimipig on Nov 10, 2011 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Caveat: I haven’t read everything, and I don’t think I’ll be reading the grand jury .pdf. But the craziest thing to me is, didn’t the guy still have an office at their football facility, and wasn’t he still around all the time? Like I said, I don’t know as much as some, but I find that really troubling.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
Yeah he did
But I believe because he was award emeritus status and it was part of his retirement package/request in 1999.
by InflectionPoint on Nov 10, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
...and boom goes the dynamite
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
as is the president
I’m still waiting on McQueary getting his @$$ canned as well.
"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 10, 2011 6:15 AM CST up reply actions
There's also lawsuits to consider
Everyone on the football coaching staff will be gone at season’s end; why fire McQuery and give him one more claim in his inevitable lawsuit against the university? He’s twisting in the wind and would be insane to actually appear on the sidelines at any point the next three weeks (assuming those games aren’t forfeited), anyway.
Appropriate that they specified he is fired, not retiring.
by jimipig on Nov 10, 2011 7:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
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