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Minnesota Gophers Should be Happy to Have Jerry Kill

2011 looks a bit like the Order 66 of Coaches. After the sheer amount of coaching vacancies, Gopher fans should be happy that they snagged onto Jerry Kill before better offers came around.

Here's a quick list of some of the schools that fired their coaches this year, or whose coaches had to step down or leave:

  • New Mexico
  • Arizona
  • North Carolina
  • Ohio State
  • Tulane
  • Penn State
  • Ole Miss
  • UCLA
  • Arizona State
  • Illinois
  • Washington State
  • Kansas
  • Akron

New Mexico and Arizona fired their coaches mid-season. Jim Tressel resigned at Ohio State, and Bob Toledo stepped down in the middle of Tulane's schedule. The Penn State scandal cost Joe Paterno his job. Only North Carolina fired its coach before the season started. The rest came at season's end.

Of the vacancies, only four are currently filled—as of December 1, 2011. New Mexico and Arizona had a head-start on everybody except North Carolina and Ohio State, and they managed to pick up Bob Davie and Rich Rodriguez, respectively. Ohio State's dreams came true by hiring Urban Meyer, and Washington State hired Mike Leach the day after they fired Paul Wulff.*

All of these jobs except Akron and New Mexico are more appealing or more attractive than Minnesota. Tulane is debatable, but I would argue that for recruits and fans New Orleans beats Minneapolis-St. Paul every day.

In 2010, the only elite programs looking for a coach were Michigan, Miami, Maryland, and Florida. (Depending on your definition of "elite," Minnesota could be listed here as well.) All the other jobs were low-level MAC or rebuilding projects, or the non-AQ conference equivalent. The competition of Michigan cost Minnesota Brady Hoke, many Gopher fans No. 1 to No. 3 choice, and Miami cost Minnesota Al Golden. (Leach was available, but he was never going to fit in at Minnesota.) Maturi wisely snatched up Jerry Kill from Northern Illinois, who is starting to look more and more like a steal.

Kill would be one of 2011's hottest coaching commodities if he were still at NIU. His record with the Huskies was 10-2 and a bid for the MAC championship when he left, and Dave Doeren has maintained Kill's momentum, going 9-3 and making a run at the conference championship. Doeren is being praised for his first-year efforts, but it's largely based on what Kill established. If Kill was still there, he'd be talked about quite a bit.

Instead, Maturi snatched Kill up when he was still very much under the radar. He was a capable coach who had done a lot, and who had rebuilt and won everywhere he had coached, and not many people knew it. The people on this blog give Maturi a lot of crap for hiring Tim Brewster and for making the "promise" of hiring a Tubby Smith, but I'd say he's rectified any mistake because he got Kill before anybody else could. Maturi could not have possibly known that 2011 would see so many coaches fired, but hindsight is 20/20, and Maturi made the right call by firing Brewster and hiring Kill when he did.

If you don't think Kill would be hired somewhere else by now, you'd be wrong. Kill is a born-and-raised Kansas man, and Kansas football just fired Turner Gill. With Kill's roots he'd have been a prime target for the job. There is also Illinois. Kill had already established a good recruiting base in the area, and the appeal of a Big Ten job in which he wouldn't have to move far might have been very tempting to consider.

While I'm not a fan of the Illini, I'm a little peeved at Illinois for making the mistake of firing Ron Zook this year, when this year is starting to look like the worst possible time to fire somebody. Not only that, but Zook's record in 2011 matches his record for 2010, assuming the Illini win their bowl game. So, in a sense, Zook broke even. Yes, he hardly made what Illinois fans would consider "progress," and his overall Big Ten record is atrocious, but he did just well enough to buy himself another year. Zook also took Illinois to the Rose Bowl in 2007. The Illinois fan base and administration really need to take a hard look at themselves if they think they can get somebody better when there are so many better jobs available for the better candidates.

Had Maturi held onto Brewster for another year, Minnesota would have to compete with all the open jobs like Illinois is foolishly having to do now. Ole Miss is in the SEC and in serious need of rebuilding. Kill wouldn't be a hot name but they'd certainly welcome a proven coach over Houston Nutt. Penn State and Ohio State would probably not consider Kill's name, but North Carolina might, and UCLA is desperate for anybody remotely competent. All of these programs are reeling from the coaching search. Yet Minnesota and Jerry Kill don't have to worry, because they got their man, and he can go to work.

Gopher fans might not have been excited when Kill was hired, and they might not be excited about his first season. But if you look outside, you might just realize that you have it pretty good. Kill is on his way to making Minnesota better every day. Other programs are just looking for a light at the end of the tunnel.

*I can only assume the Leach to Washington State was possible because no AD in their right mind would offer Leach a job with the amount of baggage he brings, i.e. lawsuits. WSU's AD had a bad track record already for the Wulff hire, and at this point probably figured he had nothing to lose. It was also likely that Washington State was the only program that ever talked to Leach, which is why he accepted the job immediately.

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Um, no

The only jobs there that are more attractive are OSU, PSU, ASU, UCLA and maybe Ole Miss.

Coaches at every other school except Illinois would leave that job to come here. And at Illinois your sport will always be second to basketball.

Heck it wasn’t long ago that one actually did leave Kansas to come here.

And New Orleans might win as a city, but there’s no B1G. Conference and money matter.

None of which is to say I’m not really happy with Kill or hat he would be available this year.

by amiller92 on Dec 1, 2011 8:37 PM CST reply actions  

Srsly?
The only jobs there that are more attractive are OSU, PSU, ASU, UCLA and maybe Ole Miss.

Coaches at every other school except Illinois would leave that job to come here.

Well, that’s your opinion. You’re a homer. Of course you think Minnesota is an awesome job that anyone would want. It’s f**king Minnesota!!

North Carolina, Kansas, Wazzu, Arizona, and Illinois are less attractive than Minnesota? Sorry, I’m going to have to disagree with you on that one. Minnesota’s a great place as we all know, but every one of those schools (even Tulane) has better access to recruiting and better weather.

The only exception may be Washington State. Okay, I’ll give you that one.

And New Orleans might win as a city, but there’s no B1G. Conference and money matter.

Not to everyone. True, Minnesota’s main pull is that it’s in the Big Ten, but it’s not doing much better than Tulane. Conference is hardly everything, and location is a big part of why coaches pick their jobs. If you don’t believe me, ask their wives.

Heck it wasn’t long ago that one actually did leave Kansas to come here.

You’re referring to Glen Mason, and also missing my point. My point is that if Jerry Kill was offered Minnesota or Kansas last year, where is he going? He’s going to Kansas. He’s from there, and Kansas is in the Big XII. It would be like the favorite son returning home.

Look, none of this is to rip on Jerry Kill, or even Minnesota. The whole point of this article was to articulate that Minnesota snagged a good coach before it had to compete with all these other jobs. Sure, in your mind, Minnesota could probably get Urban Meyer or Nick Saban, but try to look it at objectively, and see Minnesota for what it really is.

Jerry Kill is not going anywhere because he’s committed to this place. It was the best offer he got at the time, but Minnesota is also very fortunate to have him. If he was still at NIU, Kansas would be calling him right about now.

by Meager Reader on Dec 1, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't believe you

Money, power and prestige are much bigger factors, and they correlate to conference. Your’re arguing that someone would pick weather and being able to recruit in the south over being in a BCS conference? No way. Being a successful coach at Tulane means getting considered for the next Minnesota opening. Being successful at Minnesota means getting the next Notre Dame opening (or being rumored to be considered for every prestige job that comes up).

Jerry Kill might have picked Kansas for personal reasons; I don’t know. But I know that the average coach facing that choice would pick Minnesota. More money, more power, more prestige and better conference.

And no, we won’t get Meyer or a Saban. We are not at the top of the food chain. But we are in middle management.

But I agree with you basic premise. I’m glad we aren’t hiring this year. There are five opening above us on the food chain, and four more in the same neighborhood.

by amiller92 on Dec 2, 2011 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

How is Kansas more attractive?

It’s a basketball school where expectations are out of whack for football (they fired Gill after 2 seasons, even SEC schools don’t do that).

by GoAUpher on Dec 2, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me note:

I think it would be more attractive for Kill specifically though.

by GoAUpher on Dec 2, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

That was exactly my point on Kansas.

A lot of people would pick Minnesota over Kansas, but would Kill? I think, if both were offered at the same time, he’d probably pick to go back home than to go to The Tundra.

by Meager Reader on Dec 2, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And don't get me started about ranking Tulane and Wazzu higher...

…because that is getting pretty ridiculous in a negative way. A non-BCS and a BCS school who’s recruiting base and general campus atmosphere make the Gophers seem like they are playing in a packed Big House combined with the glitz of an NYC (comparatively). Tulane is a coaching GRAVEYARD. Even more than the Gophers are. Don’t see it.

by GoAUpher on Dec 2, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I said Tulane

was debatable. Tulane is hardly a coaching “graveyard,” or at least any less of a graveyard than Minnesota is. Minnesota fired Brewster, Mason, and Wacker, all after failing to meet expectations. Tulane, around the same time as Mason’s second year, went 12-0 under Tommy Bowden (with Rich Rodriguez as his offensive coordinator), which allowed Bowden to get the job at Clemson. The two coaches after that were flops, but it wasn’t any worse than Minnesota.

And as for Washington State, I said I’d give you guys that one. The only exception is that Wazzu has been to the Rose Bowl more recently that Minnesota has. But weather… yeah, weather’s not much better over there.

by Meager Reader on Dec 2, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, Tulane is not debatabe.

Since Bowden they’ve never finished anywhere near the top of C-USA or near the top of C-USA Western division. A non-BCS school that plays in the cavernous Superdome instead of on campus with no history of sustainable success in a weak non-BCS conference is not more attractive then a BCS school, any BCS school. We’re not even in the ballpark for the same kind of candidates.

by GoAUpher on Dec 4, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh...I should note that with Maturi doing the hiring I suppose you could say we were...

…since Brew was mentioned as potential candidate for Tulane this past season. =)

by GoAUpher on Dec 4, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You clearly don't know anything about Tulane.

I really get tired of making these circular “Your homerism is blinding you” arguments, but that’s really what all this boils down to.

Tulane was one of the original members of the SEC and had a lot of early success before it moved to C-USA. It wasn’t always there. And in terms of playing in the Superdome, Minnesota has no room to talk. You want to talk about on-campus atmosphere and history? Minnesota just built TCF Bank Stadium two years ago. Before that they shared the Metrodome with the Vikings. You guys have seriously no room to talk.

I’d say that Tulane and Minnesota are actually pretty much on the same level in terms of success, history, and everything, with the notable exception that Minnesota is in the Big Ten. But Minnesota is also the undisputed worst team in the Big Ten Legends Division.

I realize that Minnesota fans like to think that Minnesota is better than everyone else, but don’t look down your noses at everybody else when the facts are clearly against you.

I never said that Minnesota isn’t attractive at all. It was obviously attractive enough to lure Kill away from the MAC, to lure Brewster away from the pros, and Mason away from Kansas. But in terms of other schools, there is the way you see Minnesota and the way the rest of the world sees Minnesota. And I say that Tulane is debatable.

by Meager Reader on Dec 4, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

umm

Since Bowden…Tulane (student body 12,600) has gone 52-103 in C-USA.

Over the same time frame, Minnesota (student body 52,500) has gone 74-81 in the Big 10.

Tulane’s home last game was against undefeated Houston, which garnered 17,657 fans in an off-campus stadium that holds 76k. Their last coach (Toledo) was paid 450k/yr.

Kill is paid 1.2 million/yr and 41,549 fans showed up for their last home game to a new on campus stadium against an equally lousy Illinois team. Historically, the Gophers have 6 national titles and 18 conference titles to 9 conference titles for Tulane. Minnesota has a Heisman winner.

I don’t think Minnesota is better than everyone else (it’s probably a better job than Purdue, NW and Indiana in the Big 10), but they’re certainly a better job than Tulane.

by TwinATL on Dec 4, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that you, Coach Brew?

Because it sure sounds like it.

lol jk

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t think Minnesota is a better job than Tulane (or any of the Big Ten schools you mentioned), and a lot of coaches turned the job down before Kill accepted. The rest of the college football world doesn’t see Minnesota as that appealing.

Even Kill said if this was a better job, they would have gotten somebody else.

by Meager Reader on Dec 4, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

oy

So wins, conference affiliation, attendance, facilities, fanbase and money aren’t enough?

(for the record, I think MN is a better job than NW for academic reasons and fan support and a little better than Indiana or Purdue for facilities and that they have to compete against each other and Notre Dame for their market, but i’m willing to concede the difference between those big 10 jobs are relatively small and highly dependent on the eye of the beholder, plus I’m not planning on living in West Layfayette or Bloomington)

Look, I love New Orleans, great city, great food, but the gumbo’s not that good.

by TwinATL on Dec 4, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

not even

mentioning that LSU is in the same state.

by TwinATL on Dec 4, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Big Ten trumps CUSA

there is more money and more resources at a BCS school. Any coach in their right mind would take Minnesota over a CUSA school. Especially considering Tulane has a recent trend of losing worse more games than MN.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you The Daily Gopher

by GopherNation on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

What are you

A Tulane alum? This ones not close on any measure except south v north.

by amiller92 on Dec 4, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to be a

Tulane alum in order for me to make an argument? The only reason why Tulane is even in this conversation is because it’s one of the open jobs this year.

You guys are the ones debating why Tulane is debatable or not debatable. Which kind of proves the point.

by Meager Reader on Dec 4, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just tying to figure out

Why you are clinging to the weakest part of you argument. Why not argue for Akron instead?

I don’t see anyone but you arguing thar Tulane is debatable. What point does that prove?

by amiller92 on Dec 4, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

It's this

You guys are saying it’s not debatable and yet it is being debated. And no factual foundation? The only “facts” that you’ve provided are that Minnesota was “good” half a century ago and is in a BCS conference and is thus awesome.

My factual foundation is that 1) New Orleans is a more appealing city to live and/or go to school, 2) Minnesota is the worst team in the Legends Division, 3) Tulane’s last 12-0 season was 1998. The last time the Gophers won 12 games was 1903. The last time the Gophers went undefeated was 1941, and they only won 8 games.

The point: Minnesota is not any better than Tulane in overall perception, so stop pretending that it is. And I would not argue Akron because I already said that Akron is not as appealing. I never said Tulane was better, I just said it was debatable.

And my main argument about Tulane is its location. Your main argument about Minnesota is its conference. These can never truly be objective because they are valued in the eye of the beholder. Some coaches would pick Tulane over Minnesota because they’d want to coach somewhere warm, because of the decent recruiting grounds of Louisiana, and because recruits whose only offers are Tulane and Minnesota would probably pick New Orleans. Other coaches would pick Minnesota because of the opportunity to coach in a BCS conference.

See… it’s debatable.

by Meager Reader on Dec 4, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

That's one weak argument.

So if I were to claim that the sun rose in the west every morning and you were to point out all the reasons why that is ridiculous I could claim that “hey, it’s debatable because you’re debating me on it”? That’s some strong reasoning you’ve got there.

Typically saying “it’s debatable” means there is a strong case either way. I’m not sure how your opinion that NOLA is a better city combined with Tulane’s record 13 years ago when a current recruit was 5 years old is much of an argument.

As for your claim that Tulane is equal to Minnesota in perception. Sorry. Don’t see it. I’ve never heard anyone ever try to claim anything like this. Heck, even with all the losses to crap schools in recent years and being stuck in Madison I’ve never heard Badger fans try something that asinine.

The “some coaches” who pick Tulane over Minnesota also aren’t coaches that would have been considered to coach at Minnesota. So that is a rather self-fulfilling argument you’ve got there.

by GoAUpher on Dec 5, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

So if I were to claim that the sun rose in the west every morning and you were to point out all the reasons why that is ridiculous I could claim that "hey, it’s debatable because you’re debating me on it"? That’s some strong reasoning you’ve got there.

Now you’re just being intentionally moronic. It’s not the same thing and you know it. We’re talking college football, not physics.

As for your claim that Tulane is equal to Minnesota in perception. Sorry. Don’t see it.

Exactly. Of course you don’t. You’re a homer. I don’t even know why I keep arguing this.

I’ve never heard anyone ever try to claim anything like this. Heck, even with all the losses to crap schools in recent years and being stuck in Madison I’ve never heard Badger fans try something that asinine.

Not to your face. Especially if they know you’re a Gopher. I’ve been in plenty of bars and when Minnesota fans aren’t around, Minnesota is pretty much called the laughing stock of the Big Ten. Some people even think it should switch conferences.

The "some coaches" who pick Tulane over Minnesota also aren’t coaches that would have been considered to coach at Minnesota.

This is actually starting to amuse me. It’s so cute how you think Minnesota wouldn’t even consider the same coaches that Tulane would. The homerism is just…unbelievable, and kind of funny.

by Meager Reader on Dec 5, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

And yet in 2006 when both jobs were open Minnesota considered...

…an entirely better class of coach. Unfortunately, our AD is an idiot who interviewed Charlie Strong, Tim Brewster, and Gary Patterson and said “hmmm…Tim Brewster just seems tremendous”. Tulane went with the University of New Mexico OC. But yea, that’s the same.

Keep on trolling.

by GoAUpher on Dec 5, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Now you're the one with the weak argument.

An “entirely better class of coach”? Charlie Strong was still an assistant at the time with no HC experience, other than as interim for one game. Bob Toledo was the former HC of UCLA before being New Mexico’s OC. And Brewster had never been an HC outside of high school. Some “better class of coaches” you have there.

You have a point with Patterson, in terms of his pedigree, but he was never interviewed. Both Tulane and Minnesota were considering coordinators/assistants. The only difference was that Tulane got one with HC experience. Minnesota got Brewster.

You insist on arguing in circles, when we really should just agree to disagree. I wrote this article; you didn’t. That makes you the troll.

All I’ve said is that Tulane “is debatable” on whether it is a more attractive job than Minnesota. I’ve never actually said it was better. You’re the one who is all “NO! IT’S NOT DEBATABLE! UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS TULANE EVER A BETTER JOB!” when that’s clearly not true. I say it depends on the coach, and you say Minnesota wouldn’t even consider that coach. I’m not the one clinging to a feeble point. You are. Let it go, dude.

by Meager Reader on Dec 6, 2011 2:24 AM CST up reply actions  

They left the SEC in the 60's...

…the same time that the Gophers were winning their last National Championship and making their last trip to the Rose Bowl. That would be the same national championship and Rose Bowl that really don’t do anything to sway a current recruit to MN.

I love CFB and know many random facts about it. One of those facts I knew was that Tulane was a charter member of the SEC. But yes, please assume that my derision for this lunacy is because I didn’t know that fact.

Can you please explain to me how their being in the SEC through 1966 is supposed to wow a recruit today? Also, since a current recruit was born, they’ve been to 2 bowl games. I’m confused how any of this puts them anywhere near MN in terms of anything.

by GoAUpher on Dec 4, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

As I said above
Can you please explain to me how their being in the SEC through 1966 is supposed to wow a recruit today?

Did I say that? Did I say that Tulane’s sporadic history of success is supposed to win over guys with offers from LSU?

What I said was Tulane has early history too, since you guys love to bring up Minnesota’s National Championships from half a century ago. You guys were basically saying that Tulane is shit compared to Minnesota and I’m saying, “Well, you can think that, but the rest of the world sees you as about the same.”

Minnesota has its Big Ten conference membership, Tulane has New Orleans. Both are making bigger commitments to their football programs. Minnesota just built TCF Bank Stadium two years ago, Tulane is on its way to building an on-campus stadium. Both are among the worst teams in their conference. Both have at least some sense of history and tradition, and both are trying to become relevant again.

To a Gopher, there is no debate. Minnesota is better because it “just is.” Your argument might as well be “Ski-U-Mah.”

To a non-homer, Tulane and Minnesota look pretty similar in terms of attractiveness. If you take the job at Tulane, you get a great location and a great recruiting base. Your stiffest test on the trail is LSU, but at least you have something. Your conference is light, and this job is most likely going to be a stepping stone unless your AD either moves Tulane to another conference or gets the current one an AQ bid.

If you take the job at Minnesota, you get to coach in a BCS conference and get automatic bowl bids. But the Twin Cities are hardly a vacation spot, and outside of the state, Minnesota is pretty much perceived as a no-name school of the Big Ten. Those guys would easily go to Northwestern or Purdue because of better academics. Minnesota also has very little to offer in terms of recruiting, and the in-state guys are being picked up by Wisconsin and Iowa anyway. The rest are going to North Dakota State.

Kill has a chance to change all that, and lay a foundation. I’ve been an advocate of his pretty much since day one that I joined this blog, and my main point of this whole article was that Minnesota got Kill (who would be a hot coach right now) before stiffer competition arose, and they should consider themselves lucky. Obviously where we disagree is what you and I consider to be stiff competition.

by Meager Reader on Dec 4, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

And this is why you're trolling more or less with this argument...
Your conference is light, and this job is most likely going to be a stepping stone unless your AD either moves Tulane to another conference or gets the current one an AQ bid.

The kind of coaches Tulane would be after aren’t the same coaches Minnesota would be after.

by GoAUpher on Dec 5, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

I’m clearly a troll because I say something you don’t agree with. I offer an outsider perspective and you’re so much of a homer that you can’t accept it.

by Meager Reader on Dec 5, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep digging

Now you’re arguing that we’re losing recruits to a FCS team? Yeah, right.

I was in the process of a long response, but somehow I lost it. I’ll give you the short version.

Factors in favor of Minnesota: conference, money (i.e., at least twice the salary), exposure (i.e., TV. Minnesota: all game on TV, at least one a year nationally broadcast. Tulane: only nationally broadcast if you make a bowl), bowl access (Tulane’s last two bowls were in 1998 and 1987), facilities, recruiting competition (no local other major program).

Factors in favor of Tulane: recruiting talent pool, weather, geography. Maybe upward mobility, but only because being success at Minnesota is more of an end point and less of a stepping stone.

Toss ups: overall recruiting position (Tulane has better local talent, but more competition, as it’s at least second fiddle in its geography and may be behind bowl-bound Louisiana Tech and Louisiana Monroe too), institutional support (mostly because I don’t know enough about Tulane on this), tradition.

Bottom line is that some coaches might pick Tulane for idiosyncratic reasons (e.g., they’re Tulane alums or they place inexplicably high value on weather), but it’s not really a close call at all. The factors in Minnesota’s favor are all major considerations. Everything in Tulane’s column is secondary except talent pool. It’s about as debatable as whether Roseann is hotter than Scarlett Johanson.

by amiller92 on Dec 5, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Not necessarily
Maybe upward mobility, but only because being success at Minnesota is more of an end point and less of a stepping stone.

You’d hope that, but Minnesota is not perceived as a destination right now—but I can only speak as someone who looks at the rest of the college football world. Obviously if all I care about is Minnesota, then Minnesota is absolutely an end point. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s Minnesota!

All kidding aside, Minnesota can be a destination. It just isn’t one right now.

Bottom line is that some coaches might pick Tulane for idiosyncratic reasons (e.g., they’re Tulane alums or they place inexplicably high value on weather), but it’s not really a close call at all. The factors in Minnesota’s favor are all major considerations. Everything in Tulane’s column is secondary except talent pool. It’s about as debatable as whether Roseann is hotter than Scarlett Johanson.

lol Minnesota is not Scarlett Johansson. Not even close.

It’s more like comparing Roseanne and Rosie O’Donnell.

Again, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree. I personally see Tulane is about on par with Minnesota. Minnesota can offer better money, a better conference, but also a bigger challenge, and not exactly better prestige. Tulane is pretty much a stepping stone right now unless conference realignment kicks in. It has a better recruiting base and a lighter schedule. It’s also making a bigger commitment to football, so the issues of money and stadium and TV will change pretty soon. What won’t change is location. Tulane will always have New Orleans, Minnesota will always have Minneapolis-St. Paul. And New Orleans wins every time.

Nothing I say is going to change your mind, and nothing you say is going to change mine. It’s funny you mention the thing about Tulane alums, because that fits perfectly with what I’ve been saying about you being a Minnesota homer. You have an idiosyncratic, subjective love for Minnesota that is different from the outside world—and Good for You, because that’s your team!

by Meager Reader on Dec 5, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I forgot to mention

that you have made very legitimate points and this debate has been fun. ;-)

by Meager Reader on Dec 5, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Why is it a bigger challenge?

Tulane blows too.

But even if it is, why is that a downside?

And Minnesota isn’t a destination now, but if you come here and win, you don’t need to go elsewhere to be at the to of the game. Barry Alavarez didn’t leave Wisconsin after taking it fom terrible to near the top. His equivalent wouldn’t need to leave here.

And I didn’t mean that we’re Scartlett, just that you can argue at Roseann’s funny, and some people think funny is hot, but that doesn’t overwhelm all other factors to put her in the big leagues. Maybe we’re Fran Dresher. We got some good stuff going on, but some real drawbacks.

I guess it got lost in the long version, but a lighter schedule is generally a minus to a coach. These are competitive people. They don’t want, generally, to be a big fish in a small pond.

And finally as for recruiting, I think you’re underestimating the proximity of LSU, Monroe, Tech, Alabama, Mississippi, the Texas schools and even the Florida schools.

by amiller92 on Dec 5, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

????

Tulane hasn’t been in the SEC since 1966.

by Bo Darville on Dec 22, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

That's already been established.
Tulane was one of the original members of the SEC and had a lot of early success before it moved to C-USA.

by Meager Reader on Dec 25, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm willing to accept these others (or agree to disagree in some cases)...

…because in each case they have attractive properties about them that I think could easily make them better jobs depending on who the candidate was:
Arizona
ASU
Illinois
North Carolina
Ole Miss
OSU (obviously)
PSU (obviously)
UCLA

by GoAUpher on Dec 2, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Arizona and UNC

Are not better football jobs. Basketball schools mean always second fiddle.

Illinois is a toss up for the same reason.

by amiller92 on Dec 2, 2011 5:25 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

This is dangerous territory

because Minnesota is not a football school or a basketball school.

by Meager Reader on Dec 2, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Corrected.

I forgot about Tubby Smith. Maybe Minnesota is a basketball school.

by Meager Reader on Dec 2, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

We're neither

Giving the football coach an opportunity.

by amiller92 on Dec 3, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

False

But I am 100% supportive that we should thank the football gods that we got Kill when we did…and I can’t believe it is still debatable for some.

I’m also confident he’d be snatched up this year in a heart beat because his NIU Huskies would have just won the MAC (again)….

Bottom line, we got a ringer for a steal and Minnesota fans still think they could have done better? That is bad homerism…Jesus….wake up. I’m embarrassed about what an insane Gopher fan I am and I still have no doubts we got down right lucky with Kill….we should embrace him like he’s the teat of life.

by jimipig on Dec 4, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

UNC and Arizona...

…are actually in my agree to disagree section (where I don’t see them being better). But they do have the following things going for them that MN doesn’t:
- easier conference (both)
- better weather (both)
- closer to recruiting hotbeds (especially AZ with its proximity to USC)

UNC is also executing a plan to renovate their FB stadium which shows at least the same level of commitment that the U showed with TCF.

by GoAUpher on Dec 4, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

UNC

has shown (under Mack Brown) of being capable of competing for a national title with the right leadership.

That’s more than I can say about the Gophers for the past 50 years.

by TwinATL on Dec 4, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Leach was interviewed for the Maryland job last offseason.

All signs pointed to his hiring but it would seem that their leadership got cold feet and turned to Edsall (who I am so glad never came here).

by GoAUpher on Dec 2, 2011 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

I heard Leach ripped ESPN on the radio and that cost him the Maryland job. Good luck with that, Wazzu!

by Meager Reader on Dec 2, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Espn

doesn’t win football games.
Leach may be person non grata at ESPN, but the PAC-12’s TV contract is with both ESPN and FOX.

If Wazzu wins, they’ll be on TV and they’ll be rubbing it in ESPN’s face. The new TV deal is a huge benefit for a program like Wazzu and they’re trying to make the most of it.

by TwinATL on Dec 3, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He should rip ESPN.

They allowed one of their commentators and primary CFB talking heads to run a smear campaign against him using a PR firm (something Leach can provide documentation for).

by GoAUpher on Dec 4, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks

I just wasted one of my precious Star Tribune clicks for the month on that one.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you The Daily Gopher

by GopherNation on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Holy Crap

who would have thought 50 comments would come from debating if Tulane is a better job than MN.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you The Daily Gopher

by GopherNation on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

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