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For Minnesota Basketball, Excuses Are Mostly Legitimate

Four years later, Tubby Smith's honeymoon is officially over in Dinkytown. Welcolmed by Minnesotans as a savior of its long moribund and scandal-laden program, Smith is now learning that Golden Gopher fans want results, not excuses.

During Minnesota's recent four-game losing skid (this was written pre-Iowa) - the longest of Smith's era in Minneapolis - Minnesota fans have heard myriad excuses while watching a once-promising season crumble into another disappointing campaign. Minnesota fans justifiably want results, not spin. But in this case, and I'm as or more disappointed in this year's results than most, I think we need to recognize that Tubby's tenure, while frustrating at times, has yielded mostly positive results and there are many legitimate excuses for not yet turning the Gophers into a Big Ten contender.

After the jump, I explore what's transpired since Tubby came to Minnesota from Kentucky and argue that there's more reason for long-term optimism than ever before even if it's hard to see smack dab in the middle of a season that is failing to live up to expectations.

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Tubby's Arival

The 2006-07 season ended one of the most trying times in Golden Gopher history. The days of the Clem Haskins scandal were well-behind the program in as much as the focus was now 100 percent on a lack of results. Dan Monson was fired during the non-conference portion of the schedule that featured an exhibition loss to Winona State an embarrassing trip to Orlando for the Old Spice Classic that resulted in losses to Marist, Southern Illinois and Montana. Non-conference losses followed to Clemson, Alabama-Birmingham and UNLV. Monson was fired. Jim Molinari took over and the results were the same.

The Gophers finished at 9-22, losing its final 9 games. These were dark days at Williams Arena. Students weren't showing. Seats weren't selling. Whether it was the after-effects of the Haskins scandal, Monson's inability to coach or recruit at this level, or both, the once-promising days of the mid-to-late 1990s were a distant memory. 

And then a national championship coach from Kentucky arrived.

That 9-22 team from 2006-07 came back in 07-08 largely intact. Spencer Tollackson, Dan Coleman and Lawrence McKenzie returned. So did Lawrence Westbrook. Monson's final two recruits -- Blake Hoffarber and Al Nolen -- arrived. Competing with Monson's players, Tubby and the Gophers went 20-14 in 07-08. The season featured a memorable Big Ten Tournament run that included a Hoffarber miracle against Eric Gordon's nationally ranked Hoosiers and an appearance in the NIT.

The Gophers weren't back to being Big Ten contenders, but a coaching change seemed to make a world of difference. Now it was time to recruit the type of talent that could help the Gophers take the next step.

Tubby's First Class

With his first opportunity to put his own stamp with personnel on the program, Tubby delivered. It's true that the Gophers didn't land a McDonald's All-American, but his 5-man class was a step in the right direction.

Tubby landed a shooting guard from Ajax, Ontario named Devoe Joseph. He was a Rivals 4-star recruit and a top 10 shooting guard in the class. He had offers from Kansas, Michigan, Texas A & M and Vanderbilt, among others. Tubby also landed a big name. Ralph Sampson III who was a 4-star Rivals recruit from Duluth, Ga. He was pitched as a skilled big man with a soft touch. With Tollackson and Coleman graduating, Tubby needed size in the beefy Big Ten. He landed Sampson and Colton Iverson. Iverson wasn't as highly-touted as Sampson, but the South Dakota native had plenty of high-major offers. The combination provided the beef Tubby needed.

That trio of freshman was turned into a 5-man class with junior college transfers Devron Bostick and Paul Carter.

That class was a great start on the recruiting front for Tubby in Minnesota. There was also a near-miss with Draymond Green, who strongly considered the Gophers. And many thought current Indiana point guard Verdell Jones III would pick the Gophers. Despite the near misses, Tubby was off to a fine start.

An NCAA Appearance

One year after taking over a down-on-its-luck program, Tubby and the Gophers took another step in 08-09. The Gophers won on a neutral court against an eventual #1 seed Louisville. They beat Ohio State and Illinois, both nationally ranked, at Williams Arena.

Sampson and Iverson were playing meaningful minutes. Monson holdover Damien Johnson was improving. Westbrook was scoring. Hoffarber was an outside presence. Carter and Bostick were occasionally making a difference. Meanwhile, some of Monson's recruits, such as Jonathan Williams, Jamal Abu-Shamala and Kevin Peyton, were seeing their playing time dwindle.

The Gophers wound up with a 10 seed in the NCAA Tournament, the program's first trip to the NCAA's since 2005. They lost to a superior team from Texas.

Tubby's Second Class

If Minnesota fans were happy with the class led by Joseph and Sampson, they were thrilled with Tubby's second class. A popular refrain among fans and pundits was that Tubby needed to close Minnesota's borders if the Gophers were going to succeed. There might not be enough talent in Minnesota alone to compete for Big Ten championships, but the state's top talent had to start staying home. 

And they did.

Royce White was a Rivals 5-star recruit and the #2 power forward in the country. He could have went anywhere. He picked the Gophers. Rodney Williams was a 4-star Rivals recruit and a top-20 small forward in the country. His athleticism was second to none and even as a high schooler, Williams was said to have considerable NBA potential. Both were MInnesota natives. 

That class also included junior-college transfer Trevor Mbakwe. We now get the pleasure of watching him twice per week. Rounding out that class was Justin Cobbs, a point guard from California that had offers from other high-major programs. 

In his second recruiting class, Tubby didn't meet expectations, he exceeded them. He added a would-be star in White. He added a physical specimen in Mbakwe. He added a coveted athlete in Williams. Add that to two big men from Tubby's first class in Sampson and Iverson and a scorer in Joseph, and all of a sudden Minnesota fans were thinking that the corner was being turned. 

Soon, we thought without the need for maroon-tinted glasses, the Gophers would contend for Big Ten championships.

2009-10: A Season of Headaches and Treading Water

We don't need to rehash the reasons why, but Royce White never played in a game for the Gophers. For a team that had two centers (Sampson and Iverson), two small forwards (Johnson and Carter) and four capable guards (Nolen, Joseph, Westbrook and Hoffarber), losing White wasn't devastating but it also meant the Gophers weren't going to take a leap forward. Thanks to his own headaches, Mbakwe couldn't suit up. The Gophers didn't have a power forward at all, and they certainly didn't have the difference maker they thought White would be.

Perhaps White's off-the-court drama led to other issues. During the early-season 76 Classic in Anaheim that I attended, the Gophers stormed out of the gate with an upset win over then #10 Butler, the same Bulldogs that would eventually be the national runners-up. Then a locker-room altercation between Westbrook and Nolen sent the Gophers spiraling. Instead of taking care of business the next night, the Gophers lost to the Portland Pilots. To wind down the weekend, the Gophers lost again, this time to Texas A&M.

As the season progressed, the would-he or won't-he conversations surrounding White continued. There were YouTube videos, negative press and more off-the-court distraction than any program wants. White is now sitting on the bench at Iowa State, waiting to play next year.

As this transpired, the Gophers treaded water. Westbrook was occasionally great and occasionally horrible. Bostick had his own off-the-court issues and was suspended at the start of the season and never found a groove. Nolen was suspended for the second half of the season, including the post-season, for academic failings. 

Regardless, the Gophers won most of the games they should have won and behind Joseph's offense beat Penn State, #11 MSU and #6 Purdue on its way to a loss to the Buckeyes in the Big Ten Tournament Championship. The disappointing season had been saved. The Gophers competed for a Big Ten Tournament Championship, having persevered. They made the NCAA Tournament again, this time losing to Xavier. 

With largely the same personnel as the previous year, the Gophers performed to the level that they should have. The off-the-court headaches and disappointing loss of White, Mbakwe and Nolen kept the program from taking another step forward, but we should view this season of treading water as an accomplishment. 

And the Hits Just Keep on Coming . ...

It couldn't get worse. White's self-inflicted drama was gone. Nolen had straightened out in the classroom. Mbakwe was ready to suit up. And, after all, the Gophers had been to two consecutive NCAA Tournaments without helping kids cheat in the classroom. Things were still looking up, even if Tubby's third season didn't yield the results we all initially wanted. Instead, in Tubby's third year, the Gophers yielded the results that the team on the floor were capable of. 

Last off season saw seniors Damian Johnson and Lawrence Westbrook graduate. DJ Swat, as we came to call him, was a defensive difference maker and the proverbial heart of the team. Westbrook, while an enigma, could take over games and shut down opposing guards. To make matters worse, Paul Carter, who looked to be a maturing left-handed version of Johnson, transferred to the University of Illinois at Chicago to be near his sister who was battling cancer. Justin Cobbs transferred to California for the stated reason of wanting to be closer to home. While opinions differ on Cobbs' potential, it's no secret that he would have been third on Minnesota's depth chart this season behind Nolen and Joseph.

As the season was set to begin, Minnesota fans learned that Joseph would be suspended for violating team rules. With yet another headache, the Gophers traveled to Puerto Rico for a non-conference tournament. They walked away with a championship and wins over Western Kentucky, North Carolina and West Virginia. 

We were all thinking in unison just how good this team would be once Joseph had his issues behind him. Except, we didn't know, that his issues would never be behind him. Joseph returned briefly and looked to be a shell of his former self. He was erratic at best. His defense, never great to begin with, was lackadaisical. But his return coincided with Nolen battling through a stress fracture in his foot. We all thought that Joseph could regain his composure during the soft portion of the non-conference slate as Nolen recovered.

And then it happened. After a tough 1-3 start to conference play having lost in places they should have lost (Ohio State, MSU and Wisconsin), Joseph transferred. It's been widely speculated that Joseph was about to be suspended again and instead of suffering that fate, the junior guard transferred mid-season to Oregon. For the Gophers, when it rains, it pours. Not long after, Nolen had a broken foot and wouldn't return until the Big Ten Tournament.

The Gophers had went from Puerto Rico Tip-Off Champions with thoughts of a run in March to a team that had its two-headed point guard monster ripped away. 

While we're all upset now during a 4-game losing streak, would any of us had predicted the Gophers would be a top-tier Big Ten team if their lineup was Hoffarber at point, Austin Hollins at SG, Williams at SF and Mbakwe / Sampson / Iverson in the paint? It's just not possible to consistently perform with a shooting guard playing point guard. Especially if that shooting guard is your team's most important shooter and isn't exactly a noted ball-handler.

You win in college basketball with guards. Remember 1997? Bobby Jackson? Sam Jacobsen? Guards win games. Thanks to attrition, injuries and bad behavior (Joseph), the Gophers just don't have any guards. Period.

The Excuses

Tubby hasn't handled the 4-game losing streak well. That has allowed some aged and divisive Star Tribune columnists to take some cheap shots. But let's look at what Tubby is saying.

After the loss to #1 Ohio State, Tubby again reiterated his request (or perhaps demand) for a practice facility to keep up with the Joneses. It probably wasn't the right time to make that ask, considering their are other reasons his team didn't beat the #1 team in the land. But Tubby's also right. The Gophers aren't going to land recruits like Jared Sullinger if they don't position themselves to compete. This wasn't the best way for Tubby to lobby for his practice facility. But that doesn't change the fact that he's right. And in four years, movement from Joel Maturi on this front has been minimal at best.

After the loss to Illinois, Tubby criticized this team's leaders. He said last year's men led the way and this year he has boys. That seemed to be a shot at Blake Hoffarber, who is doing all he can to play out of position and help his team. It seems ill-advised to criticize Hoffaber, but I'm not going to question Tubby's decisions on motivation. As one columnist pointed out, the Gophers were 5-7 in conference play last year too and it was Westbrook who was being called out. The team responded with a great finish to the regular season. 

The excuses that Tubby could be talking about, but isn't, are the ones that are meaningful. Namely, the Gophers were slammed with injuries. Joseph's self-medication off court issues led to a transfer. Nolen's foot happens to be broken. Maurice Walker, a thick banger with ball skills is on the sidelines out for the year. Those aren't excuses, actually. It's the hand Minnesota has been dealt. Combined with last season's debacle with White, the transfer of Carter and Cobbs, this is a lot for any program to overcome. 

If there's one area where Tubby might deserve criticism, it's his third recruiting class. Thanks to Walker's injury, the jury is still out on him. After Cobbs transferred, Tubby signed Maverick Ahanmisi who seems over-matched. He added Austin Hollins, a 3-star wing that had offers from Memphis and Oregon State, among others. And he added Chip Armelin, a spunky guard that didn't have high-major offers. Armelin, a would-be top-end defensive back in football, picked basketball. The jury is still out on both guards. 

But under no scenario were these guys recruited to have a major impact on this year's team. Hollins at most was seen as someone that could get some minutes off the bench spelling Hoffarber or Williams. Armelin could have battled for those same minutes. Ahanmisi was the third PG on this roster to begin the season. Now, he's the only PG.

What does that mean? It means that Hollins, a would-be role-player, is starting. It means that Armelin, an intriguing project, is playing meaningful minutes. With Walker's injury, it means the Gophers have one less big body to bang. While this recruiting class was the weakest on paper in Tubby's tenure, those that are still healthy are being asked to do far more than they were expected to do this season. 

Conclusions

These last two seasons have been disappointing in large part because our expectations prior to each season were high. We thought we'd have a dynamic duo of White and Mbakwe last year. We'll never see White in maroon and gold. That's not Tubby's fault.

Joseph and Nolen would have been as good of a duo at point guard there is in the Big Ten. Joseph left the program because he couldn't play by the rules and Nolen broke his foot. That's not Tubby's fault.

Blake Hoffarber, the best sharp-shooter in program history, is the team's primary point guard. That's not Tubby's fault. We can criticize Tubby for the recruitment of Ahanmisi, but Tubby couldn't have anticipated having to turn to his third-string point guard. 

For the most part, the Gophers have beaten teams they should and lost to teams they should lose to. There have been exceptions, as the Gophers won at Wisconsin, beat North Carolina, Louisville and West Virginia on neutral floors and made a run to the Big Ten Championship game. And there have been consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances. Despite the obstacles presented, Tubby's Gophers have persevered.

As the face of the program, it's easy to blame Tubby when things aren't going as planned. But when you look close, he's persevered in the face of adversity the last two seasons, put together 2 solid recruiting classes (with 2 yet to be determined) and built the program from a 9 win laughingstock to a program that is still moving in the right direction.

I'll close with this. In the program's history, the Gophers have never been to three consecutive NCAA Tournaments. After four years, if the Gophers can take care of business down the stretch, Tubby will have done what no other coach has been able to do with this program. He'll have set a standard of reaching the NCAA Tournament every year.

If that's not a step in the right direction, I don't know what is. 

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Good Read

I’d simplify it to this.

In the 5th year, what you see is what you get from any coach. From $2 million (per) coach, I’d reasonably expect 25 W seasons most years. Top 3 or 4 teams in B10. Contenders for B10 and/or B10T titles. And 1 or more postseason W most years.

The Gophers in 2010 should have met most of those expectations. The 2011 Gophers probably won’t. The 2012 Gophers must.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

My point is

… that it’s right for Minnesota fans to have those expectations, but we should also realize that the basketball Gods have put tremendous obstacles in front of Tubby. In light of the obstacles, they’ve done as well as we could have asked.

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by PJS on Feb 14, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes And No

2008, yes. 20-14 with roster that was 9-22 the year before.

2009, ok. Up to 22 W with improved roster.

2010, not so much. Team had 4 or 5 L that SHOULD have been W.

2011, maybe. Season isn’t over (yet).

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

2010

There were unfortunate losses @Indiana, @NW, both in OT and two losses to Michigan. And of course the drama filled trip to Anaheim that included a loss to Portland. So, yes, those are 5 games the Gophers should have won even with the headaches and not having the full team playing.

But to even make it to the NCAAs after losing 3 potential impact players in Nolen, White and Mbakwe, in the bigger picture is an accomplishment.

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by PJS on Feb 14, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I Think Those 4 Or 5 W-able Anyway

The Gopher roster had enough talent to W thsoe games.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree

But you’re going to have some of those, especially in conference on the road. Like Kentucky this year at Ole Miss.

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by PJS on Feb 14, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

UK Had Enough Talent (If Not Enough Depth) To Win EVERY Game This Year

They only have 9 scholarship players and 1 walk-on in uniform. Only 7 play regularly.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That's all well and good...

…but having the talent to win and winning are 2 different things. And in a tough conference season where every road win is precious the difference between a special/elite team and a merely average or good team is the ability to avoid the letdowns. You’re arguing that every team with the talent should be a special/elite team. That just isn’t possible. If it was what those teams do would be average, not special. PJS is simply saying that while disappointing, the past 2 seasons aren’t wildly atypical for a B1G team facing the problems/adversity that that Gophers have.

by GoAUpher on Feb 14, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm Not Saying UK Would Or Should W Every Game

Just that they have enough talent to W any game on their schedule.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

You Don’t Need To Capitalize Every Word, By The Way

by Erik T on Feb 14, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Only In The Title (Subject Line)

And yes, that is the proper protocol – capitalize words there.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 15, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

With Joseph's departure opening another schollie

I would go after a PG. Incoming Hollins/Coleman sound like #2’s that when needed can play the PG position—-kind of like Joseph. I am talking a bona fide point guard. The guy will walk into a great position of having a veteran team back that is really only missing the PG to have serious potential. Will Walker be able to get a medical redshirt this year??

by Texas Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

No To The Walker ? Unless

NCAA grants a waiver. He played in too many games to qualify for that RS.

Andre Hollins is playing PG as HS senior.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice post

I would also add that White situation likely forced the Gophers to suit Rodney up last year. I recall much talk of Tubby wanting to red shirt Rodney last year, to bulk up and work on his game at at a new position. I believe that he played mostly the #4 in high school, posting players up with his back to the basket. Much changes when you are out on the perimeter and facing your opponent.

by tc_brent on Feb 14, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

Congratulations

on an excellent and balanced analysis. And also on your proper use of myriad!

by Bigkahunai on Feb 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

heh

Thanks. I try to use “myriad” in a sentence as often as possible!

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by PJS on Feb 14, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

love this article

Tubby is about to lead us to our third consecutive NCAA appearance. Many may not realize this but the Gopher program has NEVER been to three straight NCAAs.

And I think we’ve immortalized the Clem years. Clem finished with a record greater than 10-8 only twice in his entire career.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you The Daily Gopher

by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2011 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

I second that

I believe they only played 16 conference games per season in the Clem Haskins years. So, a 10-win season back then was definitely more difficult than going 10-8 in today’s B1G. Regardless, I thought Souhan’s column in the Strib on Sunday was crap. I emailed him and said as much. If you’re going to blame Tubby for his offensive scheme or recruiting, those are legitimate criticisms. But it’s asinine to blame him for the post-recruiting departures of White, Joseph, and Cobbs, without citing any circumstantial evidence whatsoever, which is what Souhan did. I mean, Souhan even blamed Paul Carter’s departure on Tubby, conveniently ignoring the obvious “note” that Carter only transferred because his sister was being treated for life-threatening cancer. PJS’ article (read: response) is well timed and much more in tune with what I believe are the sentiments of most Gophers fans. Unfortunately, most of us are STILL waiting to see what a Tubby Smith team can accomplish in a season devoid of injuries, suspensions, and drama. I have to admit, however, that one more season of these distractions and it will be tough to believe there isn’t some sort of correlation between Tubby and all the off-the-court issues. For now, he still gets the benefit of the doubt.

Journalism. Enhanced.

by MNdailyGuy on Feb 14, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

wrong

they played 18 up until the 1997-98 seasons when they switched to 16 for a while.

what you say here can, and will, be used against you The Daily Gopher

by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

You stuck to the facts...

And thus are able to make a great case for laying off Tubby, a case I mostly agree with.

But what about the admitted “chatter” of running players off? Was Devoe not mentorable? Perhaps not, but…

Cobbs was clearly a disgruntled player even on the floor. Was he inherently pissy or did something not mesh with Tubby? I never loved his play, but he could be most useful right now.

Don’t get me wrong, I like having an old school coach who follows the rules, but I sure could do without the practice facility whining. That’s bogus.

by InflectionPoint on Feb 14, 2011 1:41 PM CST reply actions  

Good questions

On “running players off,” all we have is chatter. And at every program players are unhappy, don’t like their playing time or don’t like the coach. Transfers happen. It’s part of the game. But of the transfers, I don’t see who Tubby ran off.

Carter left to be closer to his ailing sister. Joseph left because he was going to be suspended yet again. Was Devoe also upset with playing time / style? I don’t know, it’s possible. As for Cobbs, wouldn’t you transfer if you were in his shoes? You were going to be the 3rd PG on the depth chart during your sophomore year.

There might be a case to make that Tubby needs to do a better job reigning in the kids. He needs to be that mentor. But I’m sure in some cases the kids don’t want the tough-love mentoring. Could Tubby have done more to make sure Royce didn’t shoplift? Or Devoe didn’t have his issues? I don’t know. It would be great if a reporter with access chronicled that.

On the practice facility, I disagree 100 percent. Tubby doesn’t need to whine about it, but he’s right to lobby for it.

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by PJS on Feb 14, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Not disagreeing

I just bring up the transfers and defections because they are facts. They did happen and while we will not know the reasons behind the departures they are still painful. In this time of tribulation where all we can do is speculate, the frustrations look for someone, something to blame.

Practice facility – Lobby, yes! Whine, no. Use it as an excuse, no. You admitted the timing was poor, but that’s what is frustrating. Money is still a bit scarce these days, and the Pups, Vikes, Gopher baseball, among others, all want large sums. As do the government, china, gaspumps… sorry. Just saying that I hate to have this tough stretch and then Tubby uses that as a crutch. I’d be more sympathetic if it were football and we need 80 kids.

Has Joel been honest with Tubby? Why isn’t there an institutional push? Ads at the game? Why is Tubby forced to lobby?

Last little note – To add to your frustration regarding personnel I believe people are getting fatigued and frustrated because we have been on the cusp/bubble so often without sealing the deal. Whether it’s winning that last little game (mich last two years) or finally notching that big win which would overload the bandwagon (indy/msu early 07/08, msu early ’08/09, MSU 09/10) Anyway…

The roster debacles combined with expectations of being clear of the all-to-present bubble are certainly taking the toll on the Gopher faithful.

by InflectionPoint on Feb 14, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Facility

I get the sense that Tubby wouldn’t keep raising this issue publicly if it were being addressed privately. Let’s face it, Maturi isn’t acting on this. If Maturi wanted to address it, a fundraising campaign should have been started 4 years ago. Tubby clearly wants movement on that and isn’t seeing it.

But I agree, don’t use it as an excuse, especially considering there are plenty of legitmate excuses, like not having a point guard.

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by PJS on Feb 14, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Tubby Had To Lobby At UK Also

Finally got a friend of his from Tulsa (UK alum Joe Craft) to pony up the last $3 million for it.

I don’t see the Gopher AD raising $20 million easily in the current economic situation.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Economy

You might be right. But we don’t know. Just because the economy is bad doesn’t mean a fundraising campaign wouldn’t be successful. They had success raising money in Iowa City, for example.

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by PJS on Feb 14, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

The Economy

I’m a little sick of hearing the lazy generalization about the economy being bad. Consumer spending is way up, the stock market is as high as it has ever been, and jobless claims are the lowest they have been since the downturn in 2008. People are even buying cars again.

The economy has been up for about the last year now.

by rencito on Feb 15, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Rich people are doing fine

They’re the ones who would be shelling out $$ for a practice facility

by DJL44 on Feb 15, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

This is hilarious

Well done! This is the funniest, simplest quote I’ve read in weeks/months.

“Rich people are doing fine”. Ha ha ha ha ha…..god damn that’s funny.

by jimipig on Feb 16, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

True, but perception?

The economy is definitely getting better and has a strength most people don’t realize, but the perception of the populace as it relates to spending, debt, and funding sports teams is challenged.

Especially since we are a school who will (likely) have to cobble together 10k gifts, not sugar daddy TBoone, Phil Knight, Ross, or Tudor.

by InflectionPoint on Feb 15, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it would be easy...

…but instead of focusing on the practice facility for the HOF national title winning coach of the 2nd biggest revenue producing sport they are trying to raise money for a baseball stadium that can’t even be used for the whole baseball season because we’re in MN.

I love all Gopher sports and watched the Gophers baseball throughout their run last year. But lets not pretend that their stadium and the practice facility should be on par. They aren’t.

by GoAUpher on Feb 14, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Baseball

I think it is a much more pressing issue to have the baseball stadium than a practice facility for basketball. If I were in charge, I wouldn’t be building the practice facility either. I know baseball isn’t a revenue sport at the U, but it is going to have a greater return on investment than the practice facility. The practice facility is going to have to be funded with private donations.

by rencito on Feb 15, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Baseball needs a place to play

What is the point of a baseball program with no facilities?

by DJL44 on Feb 15, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

They can still do...

…what they used to do. Share facilities with the Twins. The Twins appear amenable to allowing the Gophers to use Target Field. Why no do that until A) the Dome is repaired or B) the funding push for the new stadium is resumed/completed?

I know it’s too late to stop raising money for baseball. Stopping now would kill the momentum. But they shouldn’t be holding off on the bball facility fundraising because of the baseball stadium either.

One is a “nice to have”. The other is a “need to have”. When the “need to have” facility is for the #2 revenue producer then you do what it takes to get it done.

by GoAUpher on Feb 15, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

There is no ROI...

…for baseball other than they’ll have a place to play that is their own. It will likely bring in marginally more money from the baseball team. That’s a pretty decent ROI in terms of experience, but it does nothing for the overall dept bottom line.

At the very least, they shouldn’t be delaying a basketball practice facility while the search for funds for the new baseball stadium.

by GoAUpher on Feb 15, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Basketball practice facilities are the new fad

Almost nobody has had one for longer than 5 years. I won’t fault the Gophers for being a couple years behind on this.

by DJL44 on Feb 15, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly...

I’m a huge basketball fan, but that’s what has me concerned. What sort of arms race are we getting into? Williams Arena we all can enjoy, but a building for 14 people? With special study lounges and “movie theaters”?

Just saying the precedent worries me, even if it is inevitable.

(ps – will the courts be used by students/classes/intermurals?)

by InflectionPoint on Feb 15, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Couple things.

First, this is intended, from my understanding, to be privately funded.

Second, I’ll assume all of us here want a competitive program. If you’re a recruit, don’t you think facilities have some say in the matter? Has anyone see Hoffarber note the difficulty in being able to work on his game when he wants to — after practice or in between classes. Fact is, these facilities are now commonplace. I don’t blame the U for behind a tad behind. But if they drag their feet, that’s an issue.

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by PJS on Feb 15, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

FWIW...

…it would be used by the women’s team too. I have never heard quotes on whether they’d also use it for things like IM.

by GoAUpher on Feb 15, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Tubby Had 14 Players Transfer In 10 Years At UK

Since he left in 2007, UK has had 12 players transfers in 4 years.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

coaching changes will do that

those aren’t entirely fair numbers considering UK has had 2 coaching changes.

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by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Coaching staffs keep the team intact

Nolen not making grades = coaching/leadership failure
Joseph not being able to get it together = coaching/leadership failure
White not being able to keep his life together = coaching/leadership failure

Very good teams in the Big Ten (Wisc, tOSU, Purdue, MSU (other than this season) all have kept their best players in the classroom, behaved in public (mostly) and ON THE TEAM.

by Gopher Fan from Wisconsin on Feb 14, 2011 5:17 PM CST reply actions  

Nolen not making grades = coaching/leadership failure
Joseph not being able to get it together = coaching/leadership failure
White not being able to keep his life together = coaching/leadership failure

We don’t know if that’s true. There’s only so much a coach can do. Tubby / Jirsa / Taylor and Saul couldn’t go to school for Al. And we don’t know what, if anything, was done to encourage Al to be more mindful of his studies.

On Joseph, what can we point to that makes it look like a leadership failure? Same thing with White? Just because kids mess up doesn’t mean it’s the fault of those who are in leadership positions around them.

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by PJS on Feb 14, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I largely agree with you

But there is starting to be a pattern here. If this continues, you have to look at who is leading this program as the source of the problem.

by rencito on Feb 15, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly

and it should be noted that they got Al back on track.

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by GopherNation on Feb 15, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

The staff can do everything possible...

…and still have all 3 of the above happen. I think they are most culpable for Nolen’s absence because grades are one area that the coaching staff can have a bigger impact in preventing.

Are you seriously telling me that Devoe’s selfish ways are something they are able to magically overcome? We’re talking about a guy who quit mid-season. You can’t overcome that kind of attitude problem. Devoe expressed that his “personal goals” weren’t being met. Was Tubby supposed to bend over backwards and change the team concept he works with to satisfy his backup PG?

But Tubby still had marginally more control over Devoe then he did with White. Are you seriously telling us that Tubby or his staff are supposed to find a way to make sure Royce White doesn’t make a decision to shoplift? Because I’m pretty sure they aren’t teaching him to steal clothes and assault security guards. Do you think Tubby is supposed to appear on White’s shoulder like The Great Gazoo from the Flintstones and tell him not to do it? If a player is going to be a lawbreaking knucklehead then the only thing the coaches can do is punish them and make it clear it won’t be tolerated. They did that. What else would you like?

by GoAUpher on Feb 14, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You are on fire

I agree with both of your posts on here.

The only argument you could make is that Tubby recruited some players with questionable character.

by GreasyLlama on Feb 14, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks. =)

I’d agree that the character argument could be made, but even that would probably be a stretch (as I’m guessing you’d agree).

As I recall, Devoe didn’t have questionable character when recruited. It was something he displayed in response to adversity. I also don’t recall Nolen having a history of academic issues (someone please correct me if wrong for both of those). The most applicable criticism would be of his recruitment of White. But was anyone really expecting him to pass on the most talented MN kid in what seems like forever? No way. You get him into your program and mentor him. Royce White proved unwilling or unable to benefit from the opportunity he was given. That’s not on Tubby.

by GoAUpher on Feb 14, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

A few can be exceptions

…but at some point you have to fault Tubby (and/or) the staff for recruiting these guys. I’m not on the Souhan side of things yet, but I am starting to wonder.

During the recruiting process, it is up to Tubby and staff to figure out the attitudes, work ethic, and cultural fit that will be best for the team and the coaching philosophy. This includes how players act off the court.

I have no problem with Tubby recruiting White given the fact that he was an in-state recruit. Joseph and Cobbs there can be at least dual blame on the player and the coach to an extent.

Again, I’m not ready to turn on Tubby, but once this becomes a pattern he DOES shoulder some of the blame for inviting these sorts of guys into the program.

by rencito on Feb 15, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

These are college kids.

Kids mature, or don’t, once on a college campus away from family. Most every program has kids that find trouble. Look at Sparty. Look at West Virginia. Look at Larry Drew from UNC. Some attrition due to player unhappiness or off the court drama should be expected.

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by PJS on Feb 15, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

As I said...

…there are always exceptions at every program. You are right, you don’t know exactly how a kid is going to react when he moves away from home for the first time. But a problem goes from being an exception to an institutional dysfunction once it becomes a regularity.

by rencito on Feb 15, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I sort of agree.

As long as Tubby is being clear about how the program is run then its on the recruit to make the right call. If Tubby says “this is how I do things, are you in?” and the recruit says “you bet coach!”, what is Tubby supposed to do? He isn’t a mind reader and he isn’t a fortune teller.

If the kid gets to the U and finds out it isn’t a good fit that doesn’t automatically point to Tubby. That said, if it happens consistently then there are 3 areas of self reflection that the staff have to focus on.
1) Are we being clear about how the program operates/staff expectations when we recruit?
2) Is how the program actually runs/are the staff expectations actually the same as what was sold to the recruit?
3) Is there any way things could be adapted that might fit the player better yet not compromise the core principles of how the program is run?

by GoAUpher on Feb 15, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

No One Can Figure That Out During Recruiting Process

The contact time with recruits is greatly limited by NCAA rules.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 15, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

This.
but once this becomes a pattern he DOES shoulder some of the blame for inviting these sorts of guys into the program.

And whether or not he’s to blame for “forcing” some of them out. If you are old school, can the kid handle you when he gets here?

by InflectionPoint on Feb 15, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

there really is only so much you can do

Tubby go Nolen back on track.

Tubby praised White last February for doing things necessary to get back on the team and he started practicing with the team again after doing so well in the classroom.

Devoe was given the reigns to the offense last year and this team could have been his. Maybe Tubby was going out of his way to keep him down but my guess is that Devoe didn’t act like he wanted it or felt he was entitled to playing time no longer feeling like he had to earn it.

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by GopherNation on Feb 15, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I've seen talk that Devoe was upset Al was getting starting PG minutes.

All last offseason I pushed for Devoe to be the starter, as his offense was superior. But the play on the court this season changed my position. Nolen was playing better. Period. GN is right, that this team could have been his to lead. His play on the court allowed Nolen to play more minutes, during the rare occasions they played together this season.

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by PJS on Feb 15, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Baloney To Those = Signs

Tubby can’t do schoolwork for Nolen. Haskins tried that approach. Gophers got nailed by NCAA.

Joseph failed some “not academic” tests and was facing suspension for that.

Tubby didn’t get White kicked out of multiple dorms or tell him to steal clothing at MOA.

Some Gopher fans are clueless, particularly one from Wisconsin.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya know what????

Your article, while you are a Gopher fan (unlike Souhanj) you didn’t put on your purple glasses when you wrote it. You were honest, presented the facts, and let the people make up their own minds. That’s the best you can do. I admire your journalism on this piece (but then wouldn’t I expect anything less) from you PJS and the rest of your staff. I think someone should should put a link from Souhan’s article to yours. LOL
Thanks!

by COJOMAY on Feb 14, 2011 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

Wow, great article!!!! You should update and re-post this annually.

I have been getting a little disgruntled with Tubby lately, but when you go back and look at each individual player you mention, you quickly realize that the majority of this is beyond the coaches control. It is just getting frustrating, I think, to be a MN fan in general. When is it going to be our turn to have a team that exceeds expectations without having to lower our expectations to meager proportions?

by Narby on Feb 14, 2011 8:25 PM CST reply actions  

Indeed. Being a MN fan is difficult.

I’ve been thinking about a lot of what ifs .. like what if this years team was

PG Joseph, Nolen, Mav
SG Hoffarber, Joseph, Armelin
SF Carter, Williams, White, Oto
PF White, Mbakwe, Oto
C Sampson, Iverson, Walker

They would be competing for a conference title.

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by PJS on Feb 15, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Paul Carter

That’s the one realistic guy I think could really make a difference. Sure, he was occasionally out of control, but thinking about him slicing around the paint is rather enticing. Plus, his relentless energy and positive attitude would have given this team a natural leader.

Nuts.

Be well Carter Family.

by InflectionPoint on Feb 15, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

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