#1 Buckeyes Make it Look Easy Against Gophers
Williams Arena was rocking. The undefeated #1 Ohio State Buckeyes were in town to face the #20 Golden Gophers. An upset was possible. After all, this Buckeyes team had looked vulnerable in recent close wins. But, alas, the game wasn't close and the Buckeyes did more to demonstrate just how dominant they are in the Big Ten than the Gophers did to show that they're legitimate contenders for a top 8 seed come March.
The Buckeeyes were very good on Sunday afternoon, but Minnesota ought to look inward. The Gophers gave up an amazing 20 offensive rebounds. I know Jared Sullinger and Dallas Lauderdale are a lot to handle, but Trevor Mbakwe, Colton Iverson and Ralph Sampson III should never, ever let that happen. At least 4 of those rebounds, maybe more, came off OSU misses at the free throw line. The Gophers weren't boxing out.
If that wasn't bad enough, the Gophers were incredibly sloppy with the basketball. 19 turnovers. Some were because of a lack of poise. Others were just because of bad decisions. 20 offensive rebounds. 19 turnovers. Ohio State wins 82-69. For most of the second half, the game didn't feel that close.
The loss pulls the Gophers to 5-6 in conference play, having lost 3 straight. The schedule does lighten up from here, and considering we're playing without a point guard, I think we should be careful about throwing in the towel on this team. They didn't play well against OSU. They didn't play well at Indiana. But all is not lost. It just might have felt that way Sunday early afternoon.
One of the reasons it might feel like all is lost is the Gophers didn't seem to have much fight. The bigs didn't seem to have the pride to fight in the paint. No one hit a clutch shot when the Buckeyes let the door crack open. Blake Hoffarber led the Gophers with 16 points. He looked uncomfortable at times again playing point guard. Sampson added 14, mostly during an effective first half for the junior.
David Lighty, who to me is the best all-around player in the Big Ten, led all scorers with 19. Sullinger added 18-13. Mbakwe, who many thought could hold down or match Sullinger, was as big of a non-factor as he's been all season. Mbakwe didn't crash the offensive glass. He forced things offensively and finished with a pedestrian 8 points and 7 boards.
Aside from OSU's domination in the paint, the other thing that stood out was Minnesota's lack of playmakers in comparison to OSU. Where Minnesota will look to Chip Armelin or Austin Hollins, the Buckeyes have Lighty, William Buford or Deshaun Thomas. When Minnesota needs a guard off the bench, Tubby looks to Maverick Ahanmisi. When Thad Matta needs a guard to eat up 20-plus minutes, he goes to Aaron Craft, who continues to look fantastic. Simply put, the talent differential between the two teams right now is significant.
Some bullet points after the jump.
** Rodney Williams disappeared again. I don't see any chance how Williams will go pro after this year at this point. While he shows flashes that excite all of us, he's just not taking steps forward.
** Another player who shows occasional signs of progress is Ralph Sampson III. Even Dan Dakich on the telecast today noted that he has sretches where he's very good, followed by stretches where he stands around and watches. That was the case today, where he was active in the first half and lackadaisically in the second half. His unwillingness to be physical was also on full display, as Lauderdale or Sullinger could easily maneuver him in the paint. Does Sampson lift weights?
** Another point Dakich made that deserves some attention was his comment about Matta's focus on keeping Sullinger and Jon Diebler on the same side of the floor offensively. That forces defenses to guard both players at once, oftentimes picking between doubling Sullinger and leaving Diebler open or letting Sullinger have a one-on-one opportunity. In contrast, Minnesota has never done anything to pair Hoffarber with a post player to create a two-man game. I realize Sullinger is a far better low post scorer than Iverson, Sampson or Mbakwe, but can someone tell me why after 3 years with Tubby that Iverson and Sampson have a still limited low-post game? All Sampson will ever do is a jump hook.
** Armelin's minutes were solid today. I'd almost like to see him start. He's our only guard that can get his own shot. Armelin has his moments of sloppy play, but I'll take his energy more times than not. He had 14 points, 4 rebounds an 1 turnover in 23 minutes.
The ESPN crew was reporting that Saul Smith suggested Al Nolen could be back by the Big Ten Tournament. The Gophers could sure use him before that. Lets hope that Saul was giving the worst case scenario!
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Dakich comments
Dakich was right on with his comments, probably echoing those of many Gopher fans.
- Ralph does spend most of his time on the floor as a spectator, standing around watching others go after rebounds and loose balls. With all his natural skills, he certainly doesn’t bring consistent effort every night – especially for a 3 yr starter.
- When does Ralph ever fight for position at the post? He just wanders from side to side and is much more content to hang out at the top of the key (no contact up there.)
- As juniors, wouldn’t you think some personal pride would keep Iverson and Sampson from getting pushed around by every freshman in the league? (at least Colten throws an occasional elbow) OK, the Ohio St guys are good, but they both got posterized by a bunch of nobodys from Indiana the other night.
- Williams and Ahanmisi look more lost on the floor every game.
- The season-ending injury to Mo Walker has been a huge loss. If nothing else, it gave Tubby another option to sit down the other two bigs.
When you’re not as talented as other teams, you need to bring maximum effort every night. These Gophers need to look in the mirror and ask that question.
Poor Ralph...
…he is the Gophers’ Jay Cutler. Talented. Gifted. But at the end of the day, his own fans just can’t stand to look at his passive, seemingly numb/emotionless face. I have read/heard more “I can’t stand Ralph Sampson” emails and comments recently than I thought possible a few years back.
I learned all I need to know about Ralph Sampson when he tried to hit a sky-hook from the FREE THROW LINE…with 15 seconds still on the shot clock. He’s soft, doesn’t like to work for position, and would rather sit outside the 3 point line and take his chances than to work for a basket. He lacks any passion to be a successful basketball player long-term. I keep going back to Trevor Winter. He was the other 7 footer I remember having all the physical attributes you coudl possibly want, but his soul was empty for the game of basketball.
I don’t criticize Ralph or Trevor for this because if they don’t enjoy it, they don’t enjoy it. If anything, I feel bad for them…but as a coach Tubby needs to find a way to make the game fun for the poor big fella.
I think the minutes/short bench are starting to add up and we’re seeing it in a few flat performances. We’ve still got a few wins in us in conference, we’ll make the tourney, and from there I just hope we find another gear to hit.
I mostly agree with this...
I have come to forgive Ralph for his soft play, because being a physical presence is something he does not have the desire to be,
To answer PJS’s question about why the gophers don’t play a 2 man game with HOff and someone eles is that they do not have a valid post player who demands a double team. Ralph woudl rather play 12-15 out, Colton can get post postion, but his limited post moves don’t require a double team, and Trevor, at this point has no offensive game except put backs and dunks. I think Walker could have been that type of player, but damn that injury.
By the way, someone should tell trevor that if he get the the inclination to dribble call a timeout, nothing good happens when he puts the ball on the floor.
Waive Ralph and Colt
Ha. I hate saying that about kids, but for next year I’m about ready to waive them if Trevor stays.
You guys already covered Ralph.
Colt I appreciate his hard work and a true big body, but it’s frustrating watching these guys barely improve since late freshman year. Colt can’t finish worth a lick around the hoop. Somebody needs to take blocking pads and hit him for every layup in practice.
Agree
just poor big-man development from Tubby and his staff the past 3 years. Have they improved? Sure…but remember how excited we were a year or two ago thinking about what it would be like right now? Two 7 footers (nearly) with tons of experience, “twin towers”, we’d dominate!!!!! Who in the Big 10 could keep up with us? The future was amazing!
Well…um…..thank God for Mbakwe this season or else we’d be BARELY discussing NIT births…Iverson/Sampson III have had moments of goodness…but it’s just so sparce that it hasn’t added up to much.
And I’m with you, I don’t criticize a guy if his heart isn’t in the sport. I feel Cutler is the same way…he can’t help that he’s pretty good…but he belongs in a different arena….not sure what, but Sampson isn’t a basketball player. He just happens to be ridiculously tall and long and able to keep moving along the system on some natural attributes. It kills me to think if he had some passion or desire…how great he could be at the college level.
he has improved every year
just not by very much.
FR – 6.3 pnts and 4.2 reb
SO – 8.2 and 5.8
JR – 10.9 and 5.5
I’m as frustrated as anyone but the notion that he is terrible or he hasn’t improved is overreacting. He has improved, he just can’t be relied upon as someone who can carry this team or be anything more than a third option. His demeanor is passive, he cares more about blocks than actually defending guys and he thinks scoring equals contributing but he is a valuable member on this team.
Wanting more does not mean we’d be better off without him.
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Slight improvement in #s ....
That’s true, but his minutes have gone up that much or more. Tell me where his (or Colton’s) games have improved. They certainly haven’t developed a low-post game. Neither has a low post move. That’s not hard to teach. Neither is getting position on the block. Neither know how to do it.
The only player I’ve seen marked improvement from under Tubby is Blake. Until Al went down, he was doing much more — moving without the ball, driving into the lane, etc. … But from Devron Bostick to Rodney Williams, Colton, RSIII, Devoe Joseph …. the kids aren’t progressing as they should.
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by PJS on Feb 7, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I have to agree
unfortunately. A group of friends and I discuss this topic regularly, and we disagree about a whole lot of Gopher related things…but the one thing we agree on is that guys don’t really seem to blossom under Tubby. Though, that’s the case with many, many coaches…so I’m not slamming Tubby per se.
I also DID note that they made slight improvements, but not 3 years of heavy minutes, weight training and coaching worth of improvements. That’s my disappointment. They have marginally improved, seemingly passively as opposed to actively.
I won’t say we’re better or worse without them…I just leave it at 3 years ago I was really excited for their Junior and Senior years…I thought we’d have twin towers who would dominate and put us back on top of the Big 10. I realize now that will not happen, so I’m disappointed about it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Not sure about only Blake
Dj improved alot under Tubby. Devoe was starting to look really good (at least at the end of last year). Paul Carter was a better player last year.
Speaking of Paul Carter, IMO of all the people that have transfered, he is the one that i think gets the least attention, but his departure has really hurt the Gophers. I know he wasn’t going to lead the team in many offensive categories, but he was good defensively, a solid shooter with a decent offensive game, and was a, excuse the cliche, “Glue GUy.” I think he would have provided some leadership that the gophers coudl definately use right now.
Agree on DJ ...
… but DJ improved defensively. He never blossomed at all offensively
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by PJS on Feb 8, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I agree...
but he isn’t really an offensively skilled player.
This is something that I am noticing about Sampson and Iverson, I think it was easy to think in there Freshman and Sophomore years that they should continue to develop a more rounded offensive game. The logic was, imo, that Sampson would eventually, with strength and confidence, be more assertive around the basket. But as we are realizing, no amount of coaching is going to change his attitude or demeanor. It’s just not in him.
Likewise, we all saw Colton and thought if someone could just teach him proper footwork his offensive game would flourish. But what we are realizing is that he really isn’t all that athletic, and no amount of coaching is going to change that. What we are seeing now is about the maximum of his potential, he has zero mid range game, struggles to make consistent post moves, and really can only contribute offensively with putbacks and uncontested layups. Where Tubby could help him is defensively, and i think he has made strides, but still isn’t there.
I really think Trevor, Rodney, Austin, Chip, and Mo are the players that we should look at to see if Tubby can improve there game. All are great athletes, with some rough edges and question marks. Can he help Trevor and Mo develope post moves? Can he teach Rodney a pull up or a jump shot in general? can he help Austin be more assertive/aggressive? can he teach Chip to play under control? These are the things that I am looking to see how good of a coach Tubby is.
Nicely said.
Agree on all points. Especially that RSIII and Colten are at their peak…and we shouldn’t expect upward growth.
Lots of young talent, future is bright, I’m very excited…it just isn’t as much for this season as it once was.
That being said, a win over Illinois is always a nice one given my colleagues and friends all don the blue and orange obnoxiously every time they play Minnesota…let’s do this!
big game on Thursday
this Illinois home game is huge. I have not confidence heading into the game but this and the Michigan State game are really big.
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Illinois...
…now if one could sympathize with their fans…it’s us! Imagine being an Illini fan! Worse than a Gopher fan this season. Total head-scratchers…..the games they’ve lost, how bad they’ve looked at times. All over the charts.
They could come in and beat us by 20, or lose by 20……they are that inconsistent.
Inconsistent...
… poorly coached, not equipped for the Big Ten, etc. Honestly, what has Bruce Weber done with any of his talent? Nothing. The Sweet Sixteen and NCAA Finals appearances were on the coat tails of Self’s recruits. Since then he’s won one tournament game, missed the tourney three times, and won zero regular and tournament conference championships. I know this is slightly off topic but I just don’t think he’s that good of a coach.
Though Illinois might not have all the problems we’ve had, their chemistry is pretty atrocious and it shows in the way they play sometimes. Furthermore, if you want to win in the Big Ten, you need your bigs to want to go down low and dominate the paint. Sadly, Davis and Tisdale, their bigs and their “senior leaders” (along with McCamey who has absolutely disappear) only want to shot from 12 feet and beyond.
Unfortunately for us, without Nolen this match up, we lose a lot of favorable personnel matchups. I think we should beat this team by pounding it down low, slowing the game down, and forcing them to foul the heck out of us (see 2009 game at the Barn for a way to kick this team in the mouth). Don’t let Paul and McCamey shot and this team is a second round NIT squad at best.
I agree on Illinois...
although I think this team improves instantly as soon as Demetri McCamey graduates. I know that sounds ridiculous considering he is there best player, but after watching him i just don’t see him making his team better. He is a better version of Lawerence Westbrook, the ability to take over games at times, but than completely disappear, or force crappy shots when you need him to make the proper plays.
A better analogy might be: he’s like a really fast centerfielder who can run down balls in the gap with ease making the spectacular play look simple, but throws the ball ten feet over the cut of mans head routinely.
I don’t know. I’ve seen enough of him to not be terribly impressed with his ability to run a basketball team.
Nolen
I’ve thought all along that he could be back by BT Tourney. Reports early were that absolute best case scenario is a 4 week recovery (unlikely).
5 week recovery = back for final 2 regular season games
6 week recovery = back for BT Tourney
7 weeks = back for NCAA Tournament
I think he still plays this year. Wish he would have had surgery in December, he misses start of B10 regular season but that was a lost part of the schedule anyway.
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Did anyone else read Myron's article today...
and think that Tubby’s statements about the need for a practice facility was a shot across the bow of the school and the alumni.
The long and short of what he said was, “you want us to compete with OSU? You want top ten recruiting classes? You want me to be able to graduate players to the NBA? You want big ten titles? You want us to not get run out of the Gym against the nations elite? Well than you better sack up the money for a new practice facility right now, or we are going to be a perpetual middle of the road Big Ten Team.”
Not a bad idea if you ask me. As ESPN showed, there were alot of famous Gopher alum on hand who saw there school get worked over pretty good. Maybe that will inspire some of them to open there pocket books and get some more momentum going for the new practice facility.
anybody call
Kris Humphries and Rick Rickert to see if they will pony up some $$?
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Rick Rickert!?!
Awesome.
I don’t think the Dinar he is making playing in the Iraqi summer league is going to be of much use, at least not right now. Maybe once we get the rampant inflation under control it will be worth something.
Tubby doesn't want top 10 recruiting classes
He’s been pretty open about wanting his type of kids. That’s fine. That’s Bo Ryan’s way. But if that’s the case, they need to be damn strong fundamentally. Minnesota’s kids haven’t been that.
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by PJS on Feb 7, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
good recap
20 offensive rebounds. 19 turnovers. Ohio State wins 82-69. For most of the second half, the game didn’t feel that close.
The loss pulls the Gophers to 5-6 in conference play, having lost 3 straight. The schedule does lighten up from here, and considering we’re playing without a point guard, I think we should be careful about throwing in the towel on this team. They didn’t play well against OSU. They didn’t play well at Indiana. But all is not lost. It just might have felt that way Sunday early afternoon.
We lost to the unanimous #1 team in the country and we have some winnable games left on the schedule. This team isn’t what it was a month ago but all is not lost.
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Right on
If this team can stay afloat until Nolen gets back we should be good. We have two winnable games this week, which if we won both would help ease some of the pain from last week
IF Nolen comes back
I’m hopeful but there is no guarantee he comes back and less chance he’s back at full strength.
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Hope for this...
Let’s hope Tubby has the wisdom to put Chip in at the point and let him learn the position. He can drive and finish at the rim. He can hit pull up jumpers, just not long range. He is much better defensively and a better ball-handler than Mav. Let him learn on the job and the team will improve, you will also have a solid back-up PG for next year at worst.
Hollins needs to play more too, start giving him some more of Rodney’s minutes since he isn’t doing anything with them right now. Rodney doesn’t score in the half-court game and with Blake at point we can’t run and gun. Both Hollins and Armelin get better with more minutes, which is encouraging for the future and it will give Blake more rest as he is being over-used.

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