Looking Back at the Tubby Smith Era in Minnesota
Gopher basketball fans are not happy crew these days. Year four of the Tubby Smith era started out with such great promise. We started off playing very good basketball which included wins over North Carolina and West Virginia in Puerto Rico. Some even entertained the crazy talk that this team was comparable to the 1997 Final Four team.
But we all know that the wheels on this bus did not continue to go round and round. In fact this bus got a flat tire, the engine broke down and it rolled into the Mississippi River. Al Nolen's injury hurt more than most expected and Devoe Joseph's distraction/transfer left us void of any depth or backcourt scoring ability. Our great record and lofty RPI went down the tubes and never recovered. These last nine games have resulted in eight losses and frustration around Gopher Nation is hitting a boiling point. As is often the case there is a camp of fans standing firmly behind the coach declaring that circumstances beyond his control have made this season what it is. Then the other group looks at a bigger picture wondering why the program isn't further along with better recruiting and player development to prevent seasons like this happening regardless of circumstances.
But as I've thought about our current situation and studied our current roster I wondered where this roster fits compared to the other four team's Tubby Smith has coached at Minnesota. So for my research I took the starting lineups from the end of each of the last four seasons and compared them to our current lineup. I am looking at more than just the starters or who is averaging more points. But which teams were the deepest, which teams had the best freshman contributing, which teams had better backcourts or frontcourts and then of course overall which teams had the best overall rosters. Here is what I found...
2007-08
| PG | Lawrence Westrbook | SR |
| SG | Lawrence McKenzie | SO |
| F | Damian Johnson | SO |
| F | Dan Coleman | SR |
| C | Spencer Tollackson | SR |
| Bench | Jonathan Williams | JR |
| Bench | Al Nolen | FR |
| Bench | Blake Hoffarber | FR |
| Bench | Jamal Abu-Shamala | JR |
Backcourt Scoring (2) - 20.3
Frontcourt Scoring (3) - 28.0
Bench Scoring (4) - 19.1
Freshman Scoring (2) - 12.7
What this team had was good balance, a decent bench and a couple freshmen who were able to make meaningful contributions at times. Lawrence McKenzie was a scoring guard who shot 43% from behind the arc. The same could be said for Lawrence Westbrook who shot 39% from three. And Blake Hoffarber was a true freshman who could hit threes off the bench making over 42% of his threes. Spencer Tollackson and Dan Coleman were solid big men capable of having big nights. They both struggled to rebound which was this team's primary weakness. Damian Johnson and Al Nolen even at these young ages were two of the best defenders in the conference. This team was pretty good, getting to 20 wins but missed the NCAA Tournament before losing to Maryland in the NIT.
2008-09
| PG | Al Nolen | SO |
| SG | Lawrence Westrbook | JR |
| F | Jamal Abu-Shamala | SR |
| F | Damian Johnson | JR |
| C | Ralph Sampson III | FR |
| Bench | Colten Iverson | FR |
| Bench | Paul Carter | SO |
| Bench | Devoe Joseph | FR |
| Bench | Blake Hoffarber | SO |
| Bench | Devron Bostick | JR |
Backcourt Scoring (3) - 22.9
Frontcourt Scoring (2) - 16.1
Bench Scoring (5) - 26.1
Freshman Scoring (3) - 16.7
This was a great defensive team that was rather deep. Scoring was a bit of a struggle with some young guys playing in the paint and Lawrence Westbrook trying to learn how to be a scorer within the framework of the offense. What this team sorely lacked as a power forward. All season this team was starting a shooting guard at small forward with Damian Johnson playing PF.
2009-10
| PG | Devoe Joseph | SO |
| SG | Lawrence Westbrook | SR |
| F | Blake Hoffarber | JR |
| F | Damian Johnson | SR |
| C | Ralph Sampson III | SO |
| Bench | Colten Iverson | SO |
| Bench | Paul Carter | JR |
| Bench | Justin Cobbs | FR |
| Bench | Rodney Williams | FR |
Backcourt Scoring (3) - 32.2
Frontcourt Scoring (2) - 18.1
Bench Scoring (4) - 17.7
Freshman Scoring (2) - 6.4
This season is much like our current situation with Al Nolen missing the latter part of the year and what you see above is our lineup in the Big Ten and NCAA Tournament. And like the 2008-09 season this team could have really used a nice power forward (just imaging Mbakwe on this roster!). With Joseph, Westbrook and Hoffarber we had a backcourt that was capable of scoring and shooting. Our frontcourt wasn't much of a scoring threat and we didn't get a whole lot of production out of our freshman class. But this team had a nice backcourt, even without Nolen, and for the most part they defended well.
2010-11
| PG | Maverick Ahanmisi | FR |
| SG | Blake Hoffarber | SR |
| F | Rodney Williams | SO |
| F | Trevor Mbakwe | JR |
| C | Ralph Sampson III | JR |
| Bench | Colten Iverson | JR |
| Bench | Austin Hollins | FR |
| Bench | Chip Armelin | FR |
Backcourt Scoring (2) - 15.6
Frontcourt Scoring (3) - 30.8
Bench Scoring (3) - 14.3
Freshman Scoring (3) - 10.6
And we now get to the current Gopher squad. A true freshman starting at point and a forward/center heavy lineup. This team is lacking in depth and backcourt scoring more than any other team in Tubby's tenure. Trevor Mbakwe is probably the best player we've seen in a Gopher uniform in the last four year years and Blake Hoffarber is a very good shooting guard. But the rest of the roster is underwhelming and this is easily the weakest freshman class in the last four years.
So with those little synopsi above in mind take a look at the four year rosters next to each other. I'll take Blake and Mbakwe and even Sampson over the previous rosters. But when you look at depth and defense and overall scoring, the 2010-11 roster might be the weakest in recent Gopher memory. Clearly this season's roster is the weakest bench, the weakest backcourt and probably the weakest freshman class of the Tubby tenure. Trevor and Ralph is as strong a frontcourt as we've had but that is all we've got right now. Take a look below and tell me if you disagree.
| 2007-08 (20-14) | 2008-09 (22-11) | 2009-10 (21-14) | 20010-11 (17-12) | ||||||||
| PG | Lawrence Westrbook | SR | Al Nolen | SO | Devoe Joseph | SO | Maverick Ahanmisi | SR | |||
| SG | Lawrence McKenzie | SO | Lawrence Westrbook | JR | Lawrence Westbrook | SR | Blake Hoffarber | SO | |||
| F | Damian Johnson | SO | Jamal Abu-Shamala | SR | Blake Hoffarber | JR | Rodney Williams | SO | |||
| F | Dan Coleman | SR | Damian Johnson | JR | Damian Johnson | SR | Trevor Mbakwe | JR | |||
| C | Spencer Tollackson | SR | Ralph Sampson III | FR | Ralph Sampson III | SO | Ralph Sampson III | JR | |||
| Bench | Jonathan Williams | JR | Colten Iverson | FR | Colten Iverson | SO | Colten Iverson | JR | |||
| Bench | Al Nolen | FR | Paul Carter | SO | Paul Carter | JR | Austin Hollins | FR | |||
| Bench | Blake Hoffarber | FR | Devoe Joseph | FR | Justin Cobbs | FR | Chip Armelin | FR | |||
| Bench | Jamal Abu-Shamala | JR | Blake Hoffarber | SO | Rodney Williams | FR | |||||
| Bench | Devron Bostick | JR | |||||||||
The obvious answer is four years into the Smith tenure our roster shouldn't be this thin. We should have players who Smith recruited for his system and even if we lose guys along the way others have to be ready. That is all very true. But as PJS pointed out a couple weeks ago, not everything is under Smith's control. While I can see both sides of this argument the fact is losing two of your top three guards is really hard to recover from for any team. Back-up plans and back-up plans to that back-up plan can be in place but that doesn't mean you'll be nearly as strong as if you were full strength.
What I do not agree with is the notion that Smith isn't pushing the right buttons, playing the right guys or running the right sets to win these close games. Look at this roster above. This team looks VERY different with Nolen at the point and a guy like Joseph coming off the bench to give us another guard who can shoot and score. Those are two of your four best players. Very few programs (if any) can recover from losing two guys who were supposed to play a combined 55-60 minutes per game and be relied upon for a good chunk of your scoring.
We are losing close games because for the last two years when we have come down to the end of close games we have relied on Al Nolen to get to the rim (getting to the free throw line, making the lay up or passing out to an open shooter). And when he was out a year ago we gave the ball to Devoe Joseph. Now we don't have either. Our most reliable guard is Hoffarber who can't get by anybody and then we are looking at true freshmen who haven't shown they can handle the rock in pressure situations.
There are reasons for frustration and Tubby Smith is not blameless in this mess. Again, I can listen to the arguments about player development and maybe a little on recruiting (though I'm not so down on that, though that 's another post). But take a look at the roster and this is the year with weakest freshman class and three of them are being relied upon in our 8-man rotation. This year has sucked and barring a miraculous recovery from Nolen leading to an equally miraculous Big Ten Tourney run it will soon be over.
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Extremely Well Written
You can’t begin to imagine how much more (choose the best word you know) this website is than other Gopher fan websites.
For me, I think the Gophers did very well to get 20 W in 2008 with limited talent. Pretty well to get 22 W in 2009 too.
But I THINK (not a fact, just opinion) the Gophers left 4 or 5 W on the table in 2010. L to Miami FL, Tex A&M, at IU, at NWU, Mich St, and Purdue COULD have been W instead.
Again in 2011, Gophers left 4 or 5 W on the table. Both games with Penn St, Illinois, at NWU, Mich St, at IU, Michigan were L that could have been W.
In both cases, those 4 or 5 missed W considered available talent at the time. Even with injuries, transfers, and distractions.
Kansas St faced all kinds of those things in 2011. They were 13-7 after 20 games. They are 22-9 today. They left few W on the table.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 7, 2011 10:11 AM CST reply actions
Thanks for the nice words about TDG.
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by PJS on Mar 7, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Personally
I am holding out one more year before my verdict on Tubby is reached. I have to think that Tubby realizes his coaching legacy is on the line and he is going to be motivated this off-season.
I don’t think he’ll sit back this offseason thinking about his legacy and choose to work harder this coming season. He (and every other college or pro coach) is motivated to win every single year. He wouldn’t be in the position he was in if he was more motivated in some seasons than others.
what you say here can, and will, be used against you The Daily Gopher
GN
I don’t follow you. I think coaches (or anyone for that matter) can easily lose the old fire in the belly. I guess by “position” you mean his current job. I think Tubby might have coasted a bit this year.
I Don't Think So
But IF SO he coasted to 16-4 first (with a fuller roster).
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 7, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Coaches can be wrong and make mistakes but I don’t think they try harder or work harder one season to the next. I just think statements like that are made from the perspective fans who don’t know how these guys are or how they operate. What would lead you to believe Tubby coasted this year? There is no way of knowing that and logically it makes no sense to me.
Guys at this level are so unbelievably competitive that there is zero chance they coast in a season. They don’t look at any season as a chance to get better for another season, they don’t think about their coaching legacy. Whatever roster they have they are doing whatever they can to squeeze out wins because they hate losing, not because they are concerned about their legacy. If you want to think they work harder at times than other times I guarantee you Tubby is working harder now because he hates losing and seeing this season tank.
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Can Gophers Recover 2011 Season?
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by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 7, 2011 11:03 AM CST reply actions
What you've just written...
…if you are actually drawing a parallel between that Jimmy V NC State team and this year’s Gophers’ team, I need to cue the Billy Madison clip after his “lonely puppy story” response to the trivia question. That’s one of the most idiotic things I’ve ever heard.
Journalism. Enhanced.
That's One Example Of Team That Came From Nowhere To Win Conference Tourney
Gophers may not W the B10T but in no way, shape, or form will they win NCAA like NC St did.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 7, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
40 years
I would be more than happy with just one win before this year is in the books. I really hope Nolan doesn’t come back——there is no reason for him to and he cannot help at this point in time. He needs to heal completely and take his time. It would be a shame for him to re-injury it at this stage of the season.
Why would it be a shame to take a risk at this point? Should he wait until summer when his college career is over?
Or should he risk it now so he doesn’t have to go out wondering if he could have played? That being said, if he can’t run at close to full speed he shouldn’t even think of playing because he won’t help us at that point.
Drs Haven't Cleared Him To Play
Until / unless they dom he won’t play.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 7, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
I think Nolen is still jacked up...
…still on a boot for street walking up at least through last week? That doesn’t bode well for Junior High basketball, much less Big 10 D-1.
This team needs vacation, not more games, not Nolen returning, not Tubby fu*&ing with the lineup. They need a straight up vacation to figure out if they enjoy basketball. There is little fun being had on the floor…of course losing does this, but still. They got a case of the nerves after their first tough loss and ever since they’ve been crapping down their legs every time pressure is applied.
Get away, get stronger in the weight room, take advantage of not being at BYU if you know what I mean, and come back strong next season. That’s the only thing that can help this team at this point.
A few things...
First off, when this team had everyone healthy and playing it was a sweet sixteen (possibly) team. The wins in the first half of the season prove that.
Second, honestly if I was Al Nolen, if I had put four years into a program, I’d rather end it on the floor than on the bench, regardless of the circumstances.
Third, its really too bad that Blake and Al have to go out this way.
Lastly, the thing that scares me the most right now is looking at next year’s roster and asking myself, “Who is going to shoot over 25% from behind the arc next year?” and not being able to come up with an answer.
some guys need to shoot a LOT this year
Rodney and Austin could be respectable but they need to shoot 500 threes a day.
Tubby says the best shooter on the team (not named Hoffarber) is Oto. He’ll be a shooting forward next year.
Andre Hollins is potentially a shooter (Joe Coleman is not). But I don’t need shooters if we have guys who can get to the rim. We potentially have that with the incoming freshmen.
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Gn
these guys don’t need to be taking 500 shots a day if their technique is bad. They need COACHING/technique first and then reinforce the correct way of shooting. I can spend 8 hours a day on the golf range and still be a crappy golfer because I am just reinforcing bad habits—-I won’t get better.
Hollins and Rodney have decent form
their problem is they are not used to shooting at game speed. Hollins will make one shot and airball the next because he isn’t used to shooting at game speed, he isn’t as comfortable. He needs to take thousands of shots this offseason while moving.
Aremlin has an awful shot, he needs a complete makeover but Hollins and Rodney just need to shoot and shoot and shoot.
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Totally agree with this take
Both Rodney and Austin have shown at times a decent jump shot. Whether that be a pull or with there feet set, but neither has shown that they can consistently hit jumpers. I don’t think there form is bad (although at times Austin has a pretty noticeable hitch), but they both have a difficult time replicating there stroke. I expect both to be imporved next year, but not without lots of practice.
If you watch Blake and Ralph (at this point you almost have to consider Ralph to be the 2nd best shooter on the team, well that is on everything that is not a 3 pointer) they both receive the ball in a good shooting position and seem to replicate there stroke consistently and typically they find iron at least on every shot (again in Ralph’s case not on 3 pointers. Especially ones that are taken with 50 seconds remaining and 20 seconds left on the shot clock down only down by 2, and no reason to force a shot…UGH).
NW's Jon Shurna
Is all the proof you need that bad form can still be productive if practiced enough (see also: Jim Furyk).
Journalism. Enhanced.
Shooting
The thing is I don’t think it can get worse than this year. Joe and Andre, while not known as pure shooters, certainly will garner enough respect to at least be guarded at the 3pt line. (cough Rodney)
Rodney and Austin can only get better. Mav? Oto?
So I’m not that worried about the 3pt shooting, but rather who can step up and be our uhhh Westbrook? Who can simply take the ball to the hole, be an offensive threat? There is hope that Joe/Andre will be that guy. We’ll see.
by InflectionPoint on Mar 7, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Greasy
we are not talking about a sprained ankle with Nolan. The guy has metal in his foot and hasn’t run, much less played ball, in months and you expect him to come out and turn on the jets?? IMO, he needs to take care of himself and not worry about overzealous fans.
No, I don't expect him to come out and turn on the jets...
just was saying that this is it for his bball career. I know that if it was me in and I had to take a risk of re-injuring myself to get out there in order to finish my SR season on the court, I would. I know I personally would always wonder “what if” if I passed up playing and took the safe road. Again, if he still has the boot on and can’t run without pain, no need to have this convo as obviously he won’t and shouldn’t be out there. I realize this isn’t a sprain, just was hearing that his timetable put him to possibly be able to return to the lineup around now which tells me that he has to be close to be close to being healed.
Lift weights?
This team can lift weights for the next 20 years and it won’t help. That’s not the problem. They are one of the Big Ten’s best rebounding teams, the best shot-blocking team, and have the league’s leading rebounder.
Lifting weights or not Trevor, Chip, and Mav can probably all three start for Jerry next fall. They don’t win basketball games because Tubby let his best scorer get away and ruined his other shooter by playing him at point guard. Nobody else on this team can hit a jump shot locked in the gym alone. Do you notice the one thing that consistently happens when our opponents close us out at the end of games? They hit their shots, especially the threes. That’s basketball.
Joseph
He left because his AAU coach talked him into leaving, telling him he’ll make the NBA at Oregon.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2011 5:49 AM CST up reply actions
Several Articles On That When He Transferred
Google one of them.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Rodney has ....
… terrible form on his jump shot. It is flat, no touch at all. Who has been coaching him for two seasons? Answer, nobody because Tubby doesn’t know the first thing about offensive basketball. Who has been coaching Division 1’s worst collection of free throw clankers? Nobody. Tubby has never figured out that most games end within five points of winning and losing. Teams that get to the line and make 80% win.

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