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A Look at Some of the Greatest of Gopher Quarterbacks

We are heading into a new era this fall.  We just finished the era of Adam Weber under center and for the first time in four seasons we will get to see someone new leading the Gopher offense.  This got me to wanting to take a look at the pantheon of Gopher quarterbacks and try to evaluate just how good some of the best really were.  Ultimately this is kind of an exercise that helps put Adam Weber's career into perspective, but this is not an attempt to justify his existence over the last four years.  That ship has sailed and it is irrelevant at this point.  But it is interesting to take a look historically at the best the University of Minnesota has had to offer at the quarterback position.72112137_medium

While not technically true, Weber has basically taken every snap for the last four years and holds nearly every passing record in the Gopher books.  I began this exercise by taking a look at what is loosely considered to be the top 10 QBs in Gopher history.  One could argue that these are not the true top 10 but based on playing the majority of snaps (most of them for at least 3 seasons) and racking up some impressive passing numbers (many of them throwing for at least 5,000 yards with over 800 attempts) these were the guys I went with.  Truth be told I simply utilized the GopherSports.com list of All-Time Top 10 Passers which is obviously based on passing yards.  While passing yardage isn't the only stat that will be or should be looked at but I think it is a fair indicator of QBs who's valued lied somewhat on their ability to move the ball through the air as well as lead an offense. So here is who I went with (in order of most recently played)...

  • Adam Weber (2007-10)
  • Bryan Cupito (2003-06) - pictured
  • Asad Abdul-Khaliq (2000-03)
  • Billy Cockerham (1996-99)
  • Cory Sauter (1994-97)
  • Tim Schade (1993-94)
  • Marquel Fleetwood (1989-92)
  • Rickey Foggie (1984-87)
  • Mike Hohensee (1981-82)
  • Tony Dungy (1973-76)

The incredibly interesting numbers and brilliant analysis below the jump...

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I'll first give you a quick table with career numbers.

  ATT COMP COMP-% INT TD YDS
WEBER 1,594 909 57.0% 51 72 10,917
CUPITO 918 513 55.9% 25 55 7,446
SAUTER 945 539 57.0% 33 40 6,834
ABDUL-KHALIQ 847 481 56.8% 26 55 6,660
FLEETWOOD 876 465 53.1% 44 18 5,279
FOGGIE 628 311 49.5% 32 34 5,162
HOHENSEE 722 392 54.3% 31 33 4,792
SCHADE 627 322 51.4% 23 22 3,986
DUNGY 586 274 46.8% 35 22 3,515
COCKERHAM 485 252 52.0% 24 29 3,483

 

As most of you know, or can see above, Adam Weber is the Gopher career leader in Attempts, completions, completion %, yards, yards per game and touchdown passes as well.  He also ranks among the career leaders in the Big Ten in yards as well.  But I wanted to look deeper at the stats.  It is really easy to say well he has so many more attempts so it's no wonder he has more yards, TDs, etc.  And he had the luxury of having the Gopher's best all-time WR at his disposal and all he did was throw it up to Decker who made Weber look better than he is.  Or let's not forget that Weber is also the Gopher's all-time leader in interceptions.  All of that is true, but let's look a little deeper by taking out attempts as a primary factor in racking up stats.

Starting with interceptions let's try and put the career totals into perspective.  How does this list look when we factor in interceptions per attempt?

  1. Cupito - 2.7% (interceptions on 2.7% of his attempts)
  2. Abdul-Khaliq - 3.1%
  3. Weber - 3.2%
  4. Sauter - 3.5%
  5. Schade - 3.67%
  6. Hohensee - 4.3%
  7. Cockerham - 4.95%
  8. Fleetwood - 5.0%
  9. Foggie - 5.1%
  10. Dungy - 5.97%

This is a pretty interesting list that kind of has a natural break after the top five.  But the number that jumps out here is Bryan Cupito's 2.7%.  I used to rail on Cupito, much like many of you did on Weber, about his inconsistent passing wondering how hard can it be to get a Big Ten quarterback to hit an open receiver, 3 yards downfield, on the run (Cupito probably explains why I was never as harsh on Weber).  But his ability to not throw interceptions while having the 3rd highest attempt total is really impressive.  Anything under 4% is a good number and just for reference sake here are the numbers for a couple of our Big Ten neighbors who just graduated a couple of memorable QBs, Ricky Stanzi finished his career at 3.3% and Scott Tolzien was 3.0%.

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What about Touchdowns? 

  1. Abdul-Khaliq - 6.5% - pictured
  2. Cupito - 6.0%
  3. Cockerham - 5.98%
  4. Foggie - 5.4%
  5. Hohensee - 4.57%
  6. Weber - 4.52%
  7. Sauter - 4.23%
  8. Dungy - 3.75%
  9. Schade - 3.51%
  10. Fleetwood - 2.0%

This list kind of drives home a pretty important point.  The guys who had strong running backs had much lower interception rates and more significantly higher touchdown rates.  We all know that Adam Weber never had a semblance of a running game to help his offenses.  Abdul-Khaliq, Cupito and Foggie had the luxury of guys like Maroney, Barber III and Darrell Thompson (perhaps you've heard of them?).  Perhaps there really is something to having a ground game to set up the passing game.  "Pounding the Rock" was clearly missing during the Brewster administration and certainly not the fault of the quarterback.

Next is completion percentage which doesn't take any manipulation of the data. Here is where I'll defend Weber a bit more.  Most of Weber's critics will tell you that they are tired of passes at the feet of receivers or on their backside not leading them in stride.  And we did see that but I'll argue that over a four year career including a freshman season being thrown to the wolves, being the program's all-time leader in completion % does not happen by accident. Jupkyiwypziqqqj

  1. Weber - 57.0%
  2. Sauter - 57.0% - pictured
  3. Abdul-Khaliq - 56.8%
  4. Cupito - 55.9%
  5. Hohensee - 54.3%
  6. Fleetwood - 53.1%
  7. Cockerham - 52.0%
  8. Schade - 51.4%
  9. Foggie - 49.5%
  10. Dungy - 46.8%

Maybe Sauter, AAK and Cupito's completions were all better completions than Webers but I think that is a stretch.  I'll also argue that at the college level imperfect passes are just plain a reality.  As I stated above, I had the same reactions to watching Bryan Cupito during Mason's final seasons.  That is when I decided to accept college quarterbacks as imperfect beings who are not NFL quarterbacks. But after four seasons, 50 games and over 900 attempts it is hard to argue against completion percentage.  I'll move on.  Overall 57% is not an outstanding number and Weber leading the Gopher's all-time list is more of an indictment on our QB history than it is anything else.  Stanzi finished his career with 59.8% completions and Tolzien was an impressive 68.1%.  57% isn't an impressive number, it is just the best we have seen.

Finally I wanted to take a look at QB/WR combinations.  I often heard how dependent Weber was on Decker.  I want to reiterate that this is not an apologist's take on Adam Weber, it was part of the debate over the last few years and I thought it was worth taking a look at.  I did find it interesting that many of the other best Gopher QBs also had a favorite receiver that received a heavy dose passes. 

QB to WR combos over a two year span...

  • TuTu Atwell caught 36.8% of Sauter's completions during the QB's final two seasons
  • Anderson caught 31.0% of Ricky Foggie's completions over his SO and JR seasons
  • Decker caught 30.0% of Weber's completions during his SO and JR seasons

Single Season QB to WR combos

  • 1998 - Cockerham to Luke Leverson - 65.2%
  • 2001 - Abdul-Khaliz to Ron Johnson - 52.3%
  • 1996 - Sauter to Atwell - 46.0%
  • 1984 - Foggie to Dwayne McMullen - 45.6%
  • 1993 - Schade to Omar Douglas - 44.4%
  • 1985 - Foggie to Anderson - 35.1%
  • 2008 - Weber to Decker - 32.9%

The numbers bear out that most of the QB's listed above had a very good receiver or two and most of them actually threw to their "favorite target" at a higher rate than Adam Weber threw to his roommate.  I should acknowledge that these numbers may not be complete.  I know that Decker missed some games, most of them coming during his SR season (Weber's JR season) but I'm not going back to see if or how many games were missed by any of the other receivers mentioned. Miausomjnelqczf

 

Now if we are going to move the conversation into who is the greatest Gopher QB of all time then we have to start looking at wins.  This is where the list gets pretty ugly because nobody won at a truly impressive rate. (NOTE:  I did not go season by season to see exactly who started every game.  Example 1: Abdul-Khaliq attempted 95 passes as a freshman but I do not know which games he started and am not including any wins/losses he may have earned that year.  Example 2: If a QB was the primary guy for the entire season but missed a game or two due to injury I did not factor those out.  THIS LIST IS A GUIDE, NOT EXACT because I am too lazy at this point!)

  1. Abdul-Khaliq - .595 (2 bowl games)
  2. Cockerham - .565 (1 bowl game)
  3. Dungy - .545
  4. Cupito - .541 (3 bowl games)
  5. Foggie - .500 (2 bowl games) - pictured
  6. Hohensee - .409
  7. Weber - .340 (2 bowl games)
  8. Schade - .318
  9. Fleetwood - .303
  10. Sauter - .294

Straight win% is certainly important when discussing your great QBs.  It is sad that so many of our productive QBs had such poor W/L records.  Being the guy under center has it's advantages and it's disadvantages.  You are often the guy who gets put up in front of the media after a game regardless of the outcome and regardless of fault.  As mentioned, Abdul-Khaliq had the luxury of some great running backs and he was a pretty good threat on the ground as well.  Billy Cockerham was the starter for 2 years, his first was Mason's second year where the Gophers got to 5-6 and then his second was the 1999 season that was arguably the best Gopher team we have seen since the 70s (that year we won at Penn State, nearly beat Big Ten champ Wisconsin and finished 5-3 in the league).

Guys like Weber and Sauter were saddled with two of the worst coaches in memory.   While they obviously existed together I don't think it is totally  fair to marry Tim Brewster and Adam Weber together (same for Sauter/Wacker, Fleetwood/Gutekunst).  Yes they basically led the Gophers over the same four-year span, but many of the decisions made by Tim Brewster that negatively affected the entire Gopher team should not be on Adam Weber's shoulders.  Changing coodinators yearly and producing some awful defenses did very little to help his team's chances of winning.  Certainly Weber lost games for us as well so he isn't off the hook (Florida Atlantic-07, Northwestern-07 and 08 come to mind very quickly), but this is why you have to look at win % with a grain of salt and consider coaching, defense, offensive lines, etc.

Lastly it is fun to look back at this list of Gopher QBs and then let your minds drift forward.  Many of us are anxiously awaiting the debut of MarQueis Gray as the undisputed Gopher starter and let's give him two full seasons to see where he stacks up on this list.  In my humble opinion, the single biggest mistake Tim Brewster made in his tenure was not redshirting Gray in 2009.  How exciting would it be to see Gray with three years of eligibility as the starting QB.  But we will let his career play out and then may be we can revisit this post in a couple years.

Looking at the 10 names discussed above, how would you rank your top 3 or 5 Gopher QBs of all time?

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I like the analysis, but I feel like one thing is missing:
Total Offense – at the college level, rushing yards by a QB (and % of total yards of the offense) are important stats. Weber gave us good rushing numbers as a freshman, not so much the rest of the time. So while Foggie looks like a poor QB, in reality he contributed much more than his passing numbers show.

I think what people wanted to see out of Weber was a progression from Freshman to Senior and what they got was an anomaly his freshman year that skewed the remainder of his career. If he never started his freshman year and had the success he had individually his first year, the expectations would have been much lower (as would have been the level of angst).

by mraveling on Jul 7, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

couple of comments on your comments

total offense is important and it would have boosted Abdul-Khaliq too. But those numbers were harder to get and I didn’t have the time to piece it all together.

And I would argue that Weber did improve. From FR to SO season he threw far fewer interceptions (1.95% as a SO) while upping his yards/attempt and completion %. The anomaly was his JR year where he really stunk. He then improved and had a nice SR year but he was so bad as a JR that killed his momentum with the fan base. Only year he threw more picks than TDs, completion % and yards were his lowest. All when we had a pretty decent defense and a chance to get 7 or 8 wins.

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by GopherNation on Jul 7, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Abdul-Khaliq is the clear # 1 for me

With Cupito second, and GN’s illegitimate son Weber third.

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by Jeffrick on Jul 7, 2011 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I would say

1 – Cupito
2 – Abdul-Khaliq
3 – Weber

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by GopherNation on Jul 7, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

illegitimate son… a step (or seven) beyond man crush… nice.

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by MNdailyGuy on Jul 7, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

A problem in your thinking...

…You say, “Now if we are going to move the conversation into who is the greatest Gopher QB of all time then we have to start looking at wins.” Are you saying a guy can’t be a good QB without wins? He does have a “supporting cast” you know. If the rest of the team stinks, he may be the best QB in the country and still not be a winner. Several QB’s have come to the NFL and been great without having a lot of wins at the college level.

by COJOMAY on Jul 7, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I think I addressed that
but this is why you have to look at win % with a grain of salt and consider coaching, defense, offensive lines, etc.

I don’t think that win% is the only factor when discussing who is the greatest QB in the program’s history, but it has to be A factor doesn’t it?

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by GopherNation on Jul 7, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Certainly Weber lost games for us as well so he isn’t off the hook (Florida Atlantic-08, Northwestern-08 and 09 come to mind very quickly)”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we beat FAU in ’08 and Northwestern in ’09? Perhaps you were thinking of ’07 and ’10 respectively?

by MinnMarchDTF on Jul 7, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, I’d blame Tim Brewster and Dunbar’s playcalling for Minny’s loss to Northwestern in 2008. The FAU debacle, I believe, was in fact in 2007 down in Miami.

by JG2112 on Jul 7, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did mean 2007

Weber threw 5 picks I think.

I also meant 2007 Northwestern where Weber threw 2 picks in the 4th quarter. 2008 was largely Brewster but that 4th quarter pick was brutal.

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by GopherNation on Jul 7, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was 4 picks vs. FAU in 07

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by GopherNation on Jul 7, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two takeaways

Point #1: There really are a lot of variables that come into play when trying to rank QB’s… even moreso at the college level than in the NFL. I don’t blame GN for not taking the time to compile total yardage and total TD statistics, but it’s true that such a comparison would be necessary to get a better conclusion. I mean, I don’t think Vince Young and Cam Newton were top NFL draft picks based solely on their passing stats.

Point #2: We have NEVER had a quarterback in what I’ll refer to as “modern-day Gopher football” who you could consider to be “great.” (EDITOR’S NOTE: I was not around to watch Ricky Foggie, who some consider the best of the bunch.) I was the beat writer for the Minnesota Daily when Abdul-Khaliq was the quarterback. He was definitely efficient, but no one ever referred to him as great. In fact, I remember writing an article when he eclipsed the record for most career TD passes in Minnesota history (at the time) and stating that the record was more a reflection of the program’s mediocre history at QB than anything else. GN made this clear as well, so to me, this debate is relatively insignificant. By any measure, the bar has been set relatively low, and it will be clear when anyone (Marqueis or otherwise) eventually surpasses it to set themselves apart.

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by MNdailyGuy on Jul 7, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Something everyone forgets

It still kills me to think about the collapse between Weber’s SO. year and his JR. year. No one seems to remember this, but Weber was second team all-Big Ten after his SO. season. He actually was better in almost all statistical categories this past year, but he just seemed so much more comfortable in 2008. If he could have taken the same strides SO.-JR. and JR.-SR. as he did FR.-SO., he would have been a damn good Big Ten quarterback, but that didn’t quite happen.

Although he wasn’t the best quarterback for us, I somewhat cringe thinking about what he could have done had he gone to WI (granted Tolzien worked out pretty well for them). Hand the ball off 40 times per game and do what he does best- chuck the ball downfield over the napping defense.

Anyway, time to move on.

by leex3597 on Jul 7, 2011 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Only thing that matters

Is W’s and the top 5 that are .500 and above the rest were crap.

by DallasGopher on Jul 7, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Sanford Emory Stephens II?

Still tied for 15th in career rushing TDs, Still in the top 10 for rushing yards and TDs from a QB, was an All-American, won a Rose Bowl, and is tied for 7th in all time in interceptions with 9 (as opposed to 8th in passing interceptions with 27).

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Jul 7, 2011 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

good call on Stephens

his numbers were not readily available, must have been because he didn’t throw for very many yards. But he should have been on the list.

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by GopherNation on Jul 8, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Weber at Wisconsin

Just imagine what he could have done had he gone there…

by BrewsterEraSurvivor on Jul 8, 2011 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

This is where stats can be deceptive

Anybody who actually witnessed Gopher football in person the last twenty years knows this list is just not correct. Sorry to be blunt, but it is true.

I’ve seen every QB on this list (except Hohensee and Dungy) in person, numerous times. Having Abdul-Khaliq and Cockerham ahead of Foggie is a joke, especially considering that Foggie may be the best on this list. Sauter was also far superior to Schade, much better than Cupito, and also better than Weber.

Where you are probably burned by stats is that Foggie was an option QB, so much of what he did just doesn’t show in the stats. As for Sauter, he got screwed when Mason become head coach. Sauter was a drop back QB, and for some reason, Mason brought in an offensive coordinator who wanted him to run the option. It totally screwed up what should have been a great senior year for Sauter. FWIW, the offensive coordinator was fired after the season.

by Rumblebee on Jul 9, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

maybe it was confusing

(or maybe people didn’t read text, just looked at a numerical list)

but I wasn’t actually ranking all 10 QBs. The list at the top was in order of most recent QB to longest ago. And the 1-10 listing near the end was just in order of win%.

I gave a top 3 in the comments but nowhere did I rank Schade ahead of Sauter or Cockerham ahead of Foggie as best overall QBs.

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by GopherNation on Jul 11, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected

thanks for clarifying! I was scanning/reading, assumed the top list was your top-10, and the supporting lists were how you arrived at your conclusion. I spend a lot of time reading the sister blog CanisHoopus, and that is often how the stat guys over there put rankings together.

by Rumblebee on Jul 12, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sandy Stephens

The true test of a quarterback is winning championships. Just ask the NFL passers who have great stats but no rings. Stephens-led teams not only won the Rose Bowl in 1962 (ending the 1961 season), but were Big Team and National Champs at the end of the 1960 season. How many championships did any of these modern day wonders win?

by Bigkahunai on Jul 11, 2011 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

that is also a tricky argument

would you take Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino? One has a ring and one might be the best passer in NFL history.

So much more goes into winning a championship than your QB. And those other factors get magnified when you start comparing QBs/teams that are 4 or 5 decades apart.

Certainly Stephens belongs in the conversation, I didn’t do my homework on him. But winning a Rose Bowl in 1962 doesn’t mean he would have done the same thing under Jim Wacker in the 80s with those defenses.

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by GopherNation on Jul 11, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

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