Gophers lose to the Bison (again) - MELT DOWN THREAD
by GopherNation on Sep 24, 2011 10:07 PM CDT
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PrintI'd say that this program has fallen to a new low, but in reality we've been here before. I hope Jerry Kill enjoyed his honeymoon because it is over. Hats off to NDSU for winning the game. They out-worked the Gophers, they out-executed the Gophers and their coaching staff out-coached the Gophers. There is no denying that they wanted it more and they earned it.
Now we move to the Gophers, who we passionately care about despite the fact that they consistently infuriate us and make it hard to not be a little embarrassed at times. I'm not going to go through every BCS team over the last five years but I cannot believe there is another one with a 2-3 record against FCS teams over the last five years. This is infuriating and embarrassing. I went back over the last five years and realized I had forgotten about the Montana State win in 2008. But you know what? FCS games SHOULD BE FORGETTABLE. The fact that the 2007 loss to NDSU, the close win over SDSU in 2009 and the loss to USD in 2010 are so memorable is the problem. This needs to stop.
Stories or anecdotal examples of kids from an FCS school who outplay kids from an FBS school that didn't offer them a scholarship are cute. But there isn't one player on the Bison who was offered a Big Ten scholarship, there is nothing wrong with the Gophers not offering those kids out of high school. Nobody else was. It's not that Craig Bohl is that much better of a talent evaluator. If he could get kids who also have Big Ten scholarships he would take them. What is does is coaches them to be excellent players in his system. And fans who say look at how we travel to hundreds of miles away to get players when we let these guys go to NDSU and beat us, are the same fans who would not be pleased with a recruiting class full of undersized local kids who do not own another BCS level scholarship.
I am happy for these kids that they grew into fine football players but this game wasn't about NDSU having better players. It was about them executing better because they were well coached and because they wanted it more.
"I give North Dakota State a lot of credit. Coach out-coached me, their team out-played us and they deserved to win the game. I give them all the credit. They out played us and we gotta get better."
Coach Kill is taking the blame, but this disarming mechanism isn't going to serve him well forever. I admire him taking the heat and realizing that it is his responsibility to get this team playing with more discipline and better execution. I just hope we don't have to wait until next season to see some results.
"You have to play disciplined football...We have to change the culture and it's not going to happen overnight...We have to push through it."
This is going to be a long season. Coach Bohl is getting the best kids he is able to get and plugging them into a system that is the same year after year after year. This is what Coach Kill did at Southern Illinois and Northern Illinois and that is his plan here. We have to be patient. He may or may not be capable of doing it here, but it is still way too early to tell. I am not going to start railing on Kill or ripping Maturi for another failed hire or compare Kill to Mason/Brewster. WAY too early to start going down that road. If we expect to see significant improvements or turnarounds in four games we need to check our expectations again. I hope that I can get some of these rants out of the way early and we can sit back and enjoy the progress of the team as we look forward to next year. But this is going to be a long year.
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Can we offer their entire team a Full-ride scholarship to play for Minnesota?
Seriously. Their team wants to win more than ours. I would have no problem with that proposition.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Not enough melting down....
Has everyone given up hope, or just resorted to bottle-based therapy?
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
For Christ's sakes I wish I could say this is a new low and I've been here for all of five years.
I’m getting more and more convinced that this fanbase deserves the shitty teams they get. One would think a goddamned Minnesota fan, of all accursed people, would understand the idea of digging oneself out of a hole. It’s been four games. Four goddamned games, for God’s sakes. Not the four seasons we gave a doddering fool like Tim Brewster. Four fucking games.
I’m just shaking my head and wondering tonight what value I derive from TDG.
I'm with you..
but when does the shitty play stop? There’s plenty of inspiration around the U to shore up idiotic play, much less stupid penalties and lack of effort. I challenge you to watch the replay and find one play on either side of the ball that everybody is playing to the whistle
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Moreover,
I would much rather watch a team that plays with heart, but gets beat by a superior team, than a team that plays like the Gophers have, and make a big deal out of converting a 3rd down, when they’re down 2 scores to a 1-AA team, who they should beat handily. NDSU showed that they deserved to win this game. There’s nothing you can say about the team in Maroon and Gold that says they deserve any respect, much less a win, at this time.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
No argument with that.
Only related point: four fucking games. I’m just not quite ready to melt down yet, folks. Sorry.
I'm on a meltdown on the players
In life, the boss can only ask you to do things – it’s your job to do them. I fully believe Kill has the right path in mind, and the coaching staff to make it happen, but the players are overloading the circuit.
This team is playing like they’ve never played football before. I think we could get the women’s rugby team from the St. Paul Campus to put together a better showing than this. Possibly more sandpaper too.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
YES ... this ^
It was so irritating watching Gopher defensemen celebrate after ONE tackle! Are you kidding me? Down by 2 touchdowns and I see players on offense acting like they caught a triple OT game winning touchdown! Really?Dajon Mcknight had at least 2 false start penalties himself! He’s supposed to be a senior leader out there and he was pointing fingers at everyone but himself. Pathetic. There was NOTHING to celebrate in that game after the first offensive series. It’s okay to say we were disappointed with that effort, because the Gophers play with zero heart.
"If a kid calls his grandma "Mommy" and his mama "Pam", he's going to jail!"---Chris Rock
by TSAX on Sep 24, 2011 11:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I gave Timmay three years
well, two and a bit, up to the SD game we “won” 13-10. It’s only fair that Kill get the same leash, but damn this shit is embarrassing. At this point I’ll be over the moon if we can get back to Glenn Mason territory.
Also, having heard him call the last two games, Glenn Mason loves running the football. He sees good run blocking and you can hear him quiver with excitement. No wonder his guys could run on anybody.
Conspiracy theory
I am a firm believer that Mason somehow “poisoned” the program on his way out. He felt he wasn’t getting a fair shake and did something to curse us. Ever since he left, we’ve plummeted to depths unheard of during his reign. In comparison, these last two fools make Mason look like frickin Bear Bryant. And you can’t tell me that’s not exactly the way he’d want it.
Setting up for success in the future
I want Q to succeed and have brushed off the Shortell should start talk but tonight I finally have to admit that I think this team would be better served to have Q on the outside with McKnight. Have him running motions and still hand him the ball 10-15 times a game while being able to pass it to him also. Neither QB has shown great stuff, but getting Q out in the open field would help everyone. He avg. 1.8 yards a carry tonight. Plus you have Shortell taking his bumps during the rough year with everyone else. Any QB talk is a moot point if the defense can’t get stops on third and long.
Kill did compare us to Southern Illinois
When he first came here and evaluated the talent on the team. I think these last two losses taught us that in a rather quick way. Not to take anything away from NDSU or NMSU that obviously wanted to win, and played to win, but these are teams that we needed to beat. There’s going to be a lot of growing pains, but we need to keep rooting them on.
That celebration I believe is still reminiscent of the Brewster era, and Kill will probably get on his team for that kind of celebrating. There’s nothing they should be celebrating based on the performance they gave tonight. Brewster dropped the ball with development on this squad especially with Marqueis.
We’re in a huge mess, and Kill knows it. Give him his time and we’ll start winning some meaningful games. Until then, don’t call for his head unlike some of the knuckleheads on the ESPN boards have already started doing. Trolls or not, it’s still quite infuriating.
I give Jerry until 9/13/2013
If we don’t get out and roll on Western Illinois with what should be an experienced quarterback and offensive line, just pull the plug and move on. Forget meaningful games in the B1G++, I just want to come out and look superior to the FCS team we have in, and feel like loosing them ought not have to cross my mind and a beautiful day on my campus.
I stayed on the Brew bandwagon way too long, and was way too underwhelmed by Coach Buzzkill’s hiring to put up with this shit for some fucking five year plan. Hopefully we will have an AD by then with some clue/balls and some heads will have rolled already and they’ll be keeping a nice sharp axe.
Last Night's Horror Magnified By Hearing Mason On TV
It was bad enough watching Big Ten Network last night and seeing the Gophers’ lackluster showing. But what REALLY made it even more horrible was listening to Mason in his role as a “color man” on the TV broadcast. I lost count after 37 times, but he compulsively called the other broadcaster “Partner” or “Pardner”, couldn’t tell which. Practically every time Mason answered a question or made a comment, we had to hear this crap. As in, “let me tell you Partner, that was a fine tackle there”….etc.etc.etc.etc.
Very, very annoying. And Mason no doubt has a high opinion of his “broadcast skills”.
I share another poster’s opinion of the on-field celebration by the defense after a good, but routine, tackle. Very amateurish. It stinks pardner.
Amateurish --
In addition, can we please stop:
- the stupid cheer for each first down, even when we’re way behind?
- having all the bench players turn to the crowd and wave their towels as cheerleaders on every third down, even if we haven’t stopped the other team all day?
Wrong Erik t...
And you know I love your spirit. Child rapists don’t deserve what Minnesota football has dished out to it’s fans. You can’t fault students for leaving early or fans for booing. Simply showing up to watch us play NDSU is noble.
As a side note…remember me being scolded for saying Gray would be at WR by mid season with Shortell starting? Interesting…just because I accidentally mixed up my Cal game of two years ago and my USC game last year…
Additionally…there is “give the coach time”…which to me meant we can out-execute NMSU and NDSU, but get our asses handed to us in Big 10 play…and then there is this soulless, gutless, heartless style of football I have seen through 4 games. It is so bad that the entire pot of goodwill coach Kill built up is gone. This team managed to perform so disgracefully poorly in its first 4 games, 3 of which were played before commendable crowds, that the seemingly impossible has happened that is, a team with horrifically sad and low expectations has actually found a way to disappoint and disgust the most loyal of fans.
We will all still be here tomorrow, but there is no shame in expressing disgust by the horseshit product we have had to watch this season. I knew this was a group of heartless losers after one single series. NMSU first and goal, second and goal, third and goal, stuffed. At home. That is gutless football.
by jimipig on Sep 25, 2011 9:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
“its fans”. Damn iPhone auto correct is killing me.
by jimipig on Sep 25, 2011 9:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Comparison
Rather than comparing Kill to Brewster/Mason, lets look at Maturi’s football program before and after he started choosing the coaches.
2002-2006 (5 seasons-inherited coach) 38 wins = 7.6 wins per season
2007-2011 (5 seasons-Maturi’s coaches) (assuming we manage 2 more wins) 20 wins = 4 wins per season.
You got this right...
“And fans who say look at how we travel to hundreds of miles away to get players when we let these guys go to NDSU and beat us, are the same fans who would not be pleased with a recruiting class full of undersized local kids who do not own another BCS level scholarship.”
Correct.
If we recruited the kids on NDSU the entire staff would be lynched.
And…we would only be able to defeat Indiana in the Big 10.
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