The Rebuilding Process...How Long Will it Take?
This has been a very up and down year for Gopher fans, and we are only four games into the season. As per usual there was incredible optimism for a better year, a more competitive team and a more disciplined team in 2011. The USC game was a loss that was surprisingly close and pushed the expectations for Gopher Football higher than the probably should have been. The following game saw those expectations come crashing down with a loss to one of the worst teams in NCAA football. The hope for immediate improvement quickly vanished and the citizens of Gopher Nation are not happy.
But Reverend Kill has been preaching that this is a process. He has been through rebuilding before, he knows what it takes, we clearly are not there yet and we cannot expect Rome to be built in a day. At this point we have no reason to question this logic. We are not very good and have not been for quite some time. And he actually has a track record of turning around awful programs. Eventually there has to be some results on the field before the "trust the process" routine wears thin, but we are nowhere near that point yet.
"I can't take two weeks off. I can't take three weeks off. Minnesota hired me to turn a program around, so that's what I'm trying to do,"
So the question worth pursuing is what will the rebuilding process look like and how long can we expect it to take? Then the real question, the one that trumps all others, is will Gopher fans and the University's athletic department big shots have the patience to see it through?
Fortunately Jerry Kill has been through this at his previous two stops. In 2001 Kill took over a Southern Illinois football program that had been awful. Then in 2008 he took over a weak Northern Illinois team. Both of those fairly recent rebuilding projects should tell us an awful lot about what we can expect here at Minnesota.
Southern Illinois
The year prior to Jerry Kill's arrival the Salukis finished their season 3-8 which forced a coaching change. Does this look at all familiar? Kill's first year was a struggle as Kill era at SIU got off to a 1-10 start. That in itself is not encouraging, but looking at the subsequent years is. Year one is the painful year of getting the train on the right tracks and then headed in the right direction. In three years Kill took the Saluki program from 1 win, to 4 wins to 10 wins in year three. In this case turning the program around was a three-year process.
At SIU, year two is the year of improvement. Things still aren't rosey, but there is definitely signs of improvement both in statistical measures and in wins.
| Year 1 | Year 2 | % Diff | |
| Off Rushing | 1942 | 3308 | 70.3% |
| Off Passing | 1579 | 1419 | -10.1% |
| Points Scored | 167 | 411 | 146.1% |
| 3rd Down % | 32.9% | 40.4% | |
| Def Rushing | 2244 | 2369 | -5.6% |
| Def Passing | 2188 | 2502 | -14.3% |
| Points Allowed | 339 | 360 | -6.2% |
| 3rd Down % | 39.1% | 41.9% | |
The big improvement came on the offensive side of the ball while defensively they remained relatively the same. The rushing offense, points scored and 3rd down conversions made incredible improvements. Considering that our rushing game stinks, we struggle to score and we have real troubles converting on 3rd down those are encouraging signs. Let's take a look at year 2 to year 3.
| Year 2 | Year 3 | % Diff | |
| Off Rushing | 3308 | 3173 | -4.1% |
| Off Passing | 1419 | 1806 | 27.3% |
| Points Scored | 411 | 437 | 6.3% |
| 3rd Down % | 40.4% | 46.2% | |
| Def Rushing | 2369 | 1348 | 43.10% |
| Def Passing | 2502 | 2331 | 6.8% |
| Points Allowed | 360 | 229 | 36.4% |
| 3rd Down % | 41.9% | 40.4% |
Clearly this was the year where the defense catches up to the improvements made by the offense. Reducing the amount of rushing yards allowed by 43% is incredible and clearly was the impetus behind reducing the points allowed by 36%. Overall there were some dramatic improvements from year 1 to year 3.
- 167 points in his first season to 437 in his third.
- Offensive 3rd down conversion was 33% in year 1, 46% in year 3
- Defensive rushing yards allowed went down by nearly 1,000 yards from year 1 to year 3
- Most importantly they went from 1 win to 10.
From that point on, Kill never finished with fewer than 9 wins and his last year at SIU was a 12 win season where they were one of the final four teams in FCS. Not a bad little turnaround, after enduring a very rough first year and a slightly improved second. Let's move on to Northern Illinois.
Northern Illinois
Northern wasn't in quite as bad a shape as Southern was when Kill took over the program. They were coming off just a two-win season but the previous staff had experienced some measure of success in recent memory. Year one was a 6 win season, year two was 7 wins and then once again year three was the breakout year with 10 wins.
| Year 1 | Year 2 | % Diff | |
| Off Rushing | 2226 | 2537 | 13.9% |
| Off Passing | 2130 | 1950 | -8.4% |
| Points Scored | 314 | 372 | 18.5% |
| 3rd Down % | 43% | 43% | |
| Def Rushing | 1786 | 1617 | 9.5% |
| Def Passing | 2094 | 2672 | -27.6% |
| Points Allowed | 234 | 281 | -20.1% |
| 3rd Down % | 38% | 42% |
Statistically this is somewhat similar to what we saw with Kill's first two years at Southern. Offensive rushing improved while the passing game suffered a bit. Ultimately points went up. Defensively we don't see any major improvements, in fact they took a step backwards in pass defense and points allowed.
| Year 2 | Year 3 | % Diff | |
| Off Rushing | 2537 | 3645 | 43.7% |
| Off Passing | 1950 | 2655 | 36.2% |
| Points Scored | 372 | 532 | 43.0% |
| 3rd Down % | 43% | 51% | |
| Def Rushing | 1617 | 1771 | -9.5% |
| Def Passing | 2672 | 2915 | -9.1% |
| Points Allowed | 281 | 265 | 5.7% |
| 3rd Down % | 42% | 37% |
Year 2 to year three continued to see major improvements on the offensive side of the ball. Defensively they gave up more yards but managed to reduce the amount of points allowed and got teams off the field on 3rd down better. The additional yardage may be attributed to having a fairly high powered offense that gave the ball back often because they scored a whopping 532 points.
What can we learn from all of this? Well it takes a couple years and at both stops nothing impressive happened in year one. Year two was always better but still not anything special. At both of his previous stops year three was the breakthrough year. That was when statistically Kill's teams were more productive and sharper. This translated into a significant jump in wins.
Since we are looking at rebuilding projects I thought I'd look back at Glen Mason. I'm not going to go into as much detail but Mason's first two Gopher teams accumulated 3 wins then 5 wins. Then Mason took the Gophers to 8 wins in year three which was the first win% above .633 since Cal Stoll in 1973 and first time to eight wins since Murray Warmath in 1967 (the eight win mark isn't totally fair considering they moved to a 12 game schedule in 1997, but it is not like we were hitting seven wins consistently).
There are always a host of factors that contribute to turning the program around. Returning/experienced talent is important. Sometimes you need to get a little bit lucky with your schedule. Recruiting at this level may be an adjustment for Kill and staff. And one significant caveat here is that there will likely be a new athletic director in place in the next year. This new A.D. did not hire Jerry Kill and has no reason to stick with him. Basically a lot can happen in three years and each situation is very different. But here is what these three rebuilding processes tell me.
When you do things the right way, when you put a plan in place and stick with it, then you will see results right around the 3rd year. Tim Brewster saw improvements in year two but all of his changes to offensive systems and coordinators doomed his process to failure (though it may never have had a chance anyway). But Kill thrives on continuity. His coordinators will be in place for the next few years. His players will learn what it takes and what is reqruied. They will learn to play consistently. Each successive year his teams will know what their responsibilities better and will be able to execute them without thinking.
The process will take some time and we will not likely see significant improvements in year two. But year three is the one we are looking towards. I'm not expecting a 10 win season or a Big Ten Championship Game appearance. But I believe there will be significant improvement in year three, have patience Gopher fans.
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The formula you used for growth percentage difference is incorrect.
It should be more like (year 2 – year 1) / (year 1)
The wild card in all this
is Kill’s health. Anything less than 100% on his part and I don’t think it will work out like in the past. To me the card “that trumps all others” is his health.
I'd actually say that it makes our program stronger
Knowing that you have a team of capable coaches and a contingency plan in place, in case of emergency, is a huge plus in my book.
Juxtaposition – If Bret Bielema died tomorrow, would Wisconsin be good in 2 years? Or Kirk Ferentz? or JoePa?
Life happens, at least we have a succession plan in place and continuity is absolutely key.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
"We have no reason to question his (Kill) logic"
We don’t? I understand that Kill has been successful at rebuilding smaller programs at less competitive levels, but absolutely nothing has gone well so far, and nothing he has done compares to this job.
I was actually arguing that success wouldn’t come as fast as many people thought, but losing to New Mexico State AND North Dakota State pretty much ends the grace period for me. I’m not saying we should fire Kill, but I’m certainly questioning if he’s the guy.
I mean
you predicted that we would start the season 5-1 and win the NMSU and NDSU games by a collective 41 points. And now you’re telling everyone that we’re nowhere near the process of questioning anything.
what I meant
was that he has done this twice before and four games is not NEARLY enough time to determine whether or not he will fail here.
I did predict 5-1, so that is fair. But even as bad as the losses to NDSU and NMSU are, it is WAY too early to be questioning if he’s capable of rebuilding. Looking back at SIU, NIU and even Mason’s first year show that the first year can be ugly.
what you say here can, and will, be used against you The Daily Gopher
by GopherNation on Sep 30, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Too early to even question?
I just don’t understand that. I think it’s too early to NOT be questioning. To question something isn’t to assume that it will fail, it’s to not completely drink the kool-aid out of unsubstantiated expectations.
OMG WE ARE NOT SUPERB FUCKING FIRE EVERYONE AND BURN IT ALL DOWN
Grace period ends a third of the way through the first season? Good luck with that.
Good luck with what?
Do you think I’m the only one that feels this way? Do you think maybe you’re been a tad bit hyperbolic/defensive? Should I stop asking rhetorical questions?
There’s a difference between “burn it down” and “hey, maybe Kill was just all talk too.”
Almost nobody liked this hire until he gave his first few press conferences and won everyone over with his “Aw, shucks” attitude. He won me over for the most part too.
But none of that means dick if you can even beat an FCS team and one of the worst FBS teams in college football.
I don’t care what year in the program we are. Jeff Horton beat two bowl teams.
"Jeff Horton beat two bowl teams"
I do have a hard time looking at this team and remembering them seemingly heading the right direction at the end of the year. I was expecting at best a handful of B1G victories with a probable loss to USC but I expected us to look like a more disciplined team with better execution given the history of the staff, and have been really appalled by the product on the field. Do I want to fire him? No. But I was underwhelmed by the hiring and nothing in the last month has done anything to assuage my initial reservations. That with some real doubts in the recruiting realm and I hardly am swilling the Killade.
You're doubting the recruiting?
He snagged all but one of the top recruits in Minnesota! That’s something that hasn’t been done as long as I can remember.
Another caveat is that most of the guys playing now have had 4 years of Brewster’s system – a carousel of coaches on both sides of the ball. I wouldn’t expect anybody to get in a rhythm and know exactly what’s expected of them, one year after a change, but having that happen every year for 5 years is horrible. How much would you know about your job if your boss changed once a year for 5 years, each one having different expectations?
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
This comment
the second section in particular, is why no Gopher fan should ever take the time to rip Adam Weber OR Marqueis Gray, in my opinion. In two years, we’ll see what a quarterback in a consistent scheme can do. What happened and is happening to Weber and Gray is none of their faults.
They played some clips of the Jerry Kill Show on the KFAN after the Wild game last night...
He explicitly said “We’re playing two freshmen at quarterback this year, so we’ve gotta take things slow” He also mentioned that he’s going to stick with MarQueis and Shortell at QB and not switch to Shortell only at QB because there’s no backup at QB if Shortell gets injured.
Reading between the lines, me thinks Apatate and whoever else was in the QB carousel during preseason are a step behind Gray and Shortell and probably won’t be getting any reps for a while…
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Allow be to be the post necromancer
You’re doubting the recruiting?
He snagged all but one of the top recruits in Minnesota! That’s something that hasn’t been done as long as I can remember.
I wish I’d processed this absurd statement earlier so that I might have fully captured my incredulousness. For arguments sake lets go down memory lane with Rivals rankings as they are quick and easy to pull up. Kill has 2 of the top 5 recruits coming out of Minnesota. A feat that Brewster matched or exceeded.. every year [strike that he actually didn’t do that in 08, which was the year rivals was all gaga over his class].
I think that Brewster brought some real athletes in, especially in the 08 and 09 classes. I think that after 4 years of non-development they have been imbued with little but a losing attitude, but I still think there is speed and talent on this squad.
Kill’s class certainly doesn’t make me feel confident that we are going to be out recruiting the competition during his tenure, especially given this is the honeymoon class. Whether he can develop anybody remains to be seen.
by ulf on Oct 5, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
People mentioning Jeff Horton's two wins
make me want to punch myself in the throat.
Please do.
Sure, it’s a small sample. But people act like Kill inherited a team of handicapped players. We should have beaten NMSU and NDSU, and it’s on him just as much as it is anyone else.
The idea that there should be no accountability in the first year is silly. I expected the team to finish with 3-4 wins, and I was fine with that. At the moment, that looks like an extreme best case scenario.
There actually is another quite significant wild-card we’re all ignoring while looking at Kill’s track record.
Actually, two things.
First off, in the lower divisions it’s probably a bit easier to take a downtrodden team and turn them around, because most of those teams are dealing with a similar pool of talent. If Kill is a bright guy, his acumen can lead to victories quite quickly.
However, there is no leveling of talent in the Big Ten, and Jerry Kill is not a markedly better coach than Mark Dantonio, Pat Fitzgerald, Brady Hoke/Greg Mattison, Kirk Ferentz, Bert Bielema or Bo Pelini, and that leads to point 2.
Jerry Kill’s 2012 recruiting class is statistically equal to Tim Brewster’s, according to the recruiting sites. This could certainly improve over time once Kill gets some victories, and I suspect it will.
However, Michigan currently has Scout’s #1 recruiting class for 2012 and college football’s best defensive coordinator. Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska are all cleaning up in recruiting. They all are starting about 10 steps ahead of Minnesota with regard to current talent. It will be, at minimum, 4 years before Minnesota has the opportunity to have a base of talent to compare with these schools, and even if they do, look at the coaches Kill is going against.
This is going to be a long, long haul. Gopher fans better be ready.
I'd be curious to see a statistical look at your first point. I don't think it's at all a given.
Are turnarounds faster in D-II or 1AA?
It would be an interesting study.
Unfortunately, how to sort the info to control for returning talent, age, starters, etc.
One thing that makes it easier to turn it around at the lower tiers
is that they retain the ability to burn it all down and start over. During his weekly KFAN show Kill referenced Alvarez’s doing essentially that at Wisconsin during his first years, in his running out of players who weren’t shaking their loosing ways/attitudes/sucktitude. (An interesting note, Wisconsin wouldn’t have been eligible to be in the Rosebowl under the regulations that were put into the pipeline by the NCAA last month). Kill had some massive upheaval at SIU as well, but didn’t face penalties similar to those he might face if he has mass defections here [though I say Minnesota ought to qualify for a “Low Resource Institution” waiver and challenge the NCAA to see this program as anything but downtrodden and forlorn].
In any case it is easier to turn around lower tiers for many reasons. There is less of a talent gap from top to bottom across conferences, as noted by JG. That is a truth of the bell curve of athletes. Helmet schools feast on the kids who reside at the precious narrow swell in front of the wave, laden with 5 star athletes and future NFL’ers while the drop off from athlete to athlete becomes less as you get back toward the great heaping crest of mediocrity.
From this tsunami of not quite sucking, FCS and DII schools generally face less hurdles getting their athletes qualified. We, the bad FBS schools, have to find the mediocre kids who are just a bit smarter [and arguably smarter still in the B1G (see the defensive back from Hopkins who barely graduated high school before ending up in the Dakotas only to become a feel-good I-told-you-so-underdog’s-get-theres cockshit story in the local rags)].
And given the games you can play with split scholarships [something Jerry noted in his presser last week that he misses from his FCS days] and with out looming APR penalites shed those who aren’t buying in, yeah I’d say even Jerry would be quick to acknowledge it is a little easier to turn it around at the lower leagues.
Amen.
This is going to be a long, long haul. Gopher fans better be ready.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
My thoughts on this
Nobody can come in and turn an ocean liner on a dime and we are going to suck this year and probably next, quite possibly a third year, but I think Kill – and his staff – are the right guys for the job. He’s already doing a great job closing off Minnesota’s borders and keeping high school talent in-state. He’s got a system which has worked before – which is a hell of a lot better than our last regime – and I’m guessing will work again. Lastly, and probably most importantly, he’s busting his ass to do the best he can, he’s trying and he cares. Win or lose, that’s mostly what I care about. We can’t dig up Curly Lambeau to run this squad, nor can we trick Brent Musburger or Bob Stoops or Les Miles to come to MN, because frankly, there’s easier and better paying jobs out there for those guys. Wisconsin went through the same thing with Alvarez, and Iowa with Ferentz and Fry before him.

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
by Marshmoose on Sep 30, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
People always bring up Fry and Alvarez
but there are a lot of coaches that started out with shitty records and ended with shitty records. Tim Brewster, for example. It’s certainly possible the Kill is simply in over his head.
So…yeah. I really don’t even get it. People seem to be equating doubt with certainty. Which is weird, since they are exact opposites. Nobody is saying that Kill is going to fail, or that he won’t be able to turn it around, but I can certainly hold in my head both the desire to hope that he will be able to turn things around along with the concern that he might not be able to.
And I’m sure he is trying really hard. Everyone is trying hard. To coin another guy who couldn’t hack it in the big leagues, “This is Division 1 football brother”
The approach is different
Brewster tried to make things work without a solid foundation, and we all know how that went. I’m fine having a shitty team for a couple seasons if there’s a plan in place to become better. As I said before – you can’t turn an ocean liner on a dime and you can’t turn a crappy team around in a weekend. I’m sure it’s not just limited to football. These kids are in class too, and I’m guessing they’re not used to the academic rigor that Kill is expecting, because Brewster didn’t seem to emphasize that as much, as evident in the APR ratings.
I have questions about the program too – but Kill passes the sniff test for me. I don’t know how much more open the guy could be – opening practices, touring the state and talking to folks all over the place, responding to letters, talking about his medical issues in press conferences, and being embarassed by the team’s play. It’s to the point where I’m thinking "If Jerry Kill can’t right this program, who the hell can? It sucks, it’s heartbreaking to be on such a long string of mediocrity, and I’m sick of it too, but it is what it is. There’s just no easy solution
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Astonished...
…at people doubting kill no matter WHAT happens this year. LIterally, if 1/2 the team transferred schools, we need to stay with it.
Know how good we would have been the past 3-4 years if Dunbar’s offense was in tact still? Just from the perspective of consistency/stability?
There are all kinds of little things that made us as bad as we are. What we have a chance for now is stability, which should at least get us back to the Mason years of 7-9 wins in the next 3 years. Then from there, let’s see where we are at. This is a football staff. Not a D-2, or D-1 small conference, or Big 10 staff…but a solid football staff. The guys live and die football, and they do it together, and have for years.
God damn…I’m drunk in Mexico right now and still have enough common sense to know this…come on people! We will wake up Sunday with blood in our underwear from Michigan…but we still need to get back on the horse each Saturday all season this year with hopes the off-season training and recruiting programs continue to develop us while we celebrate Gopher basketball’s first Big 10 championship in as long as I can remember.
Times are going to be good again.

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