Minnesota Gopher Football: How Tom Parish transferring changes the QB depth chart
Lost a bit amongst all the hoopla with the new jerseys was news that sophomore QB Tom Parish has decided to transfer. Parish was a three star recruit from the heart of Badger country, as he starred at Wisconsin high school power Arrowhead. At 6'3 with an accurate arm and good athleticism, he looked a perfect fit to run Jerry Kill's offense, but got lost in the shuffle as he dropped to third on the depth chart in 2012.
While it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that Parish could have fought his way to be MarQueis Gray's backup this year, he would have started the spring as the #3, and with a certain super-duper freshman already on campus, could have potentially slipped further behind. No word on where Parish will transfer to but we wish him the best (as long as it's not the QB needy Badgers, of course).
So with the loss of Parish, what does this do to the Gophers' QB depth chart? No change at the top obviously (or the bottom, for that matter) but there's some battles to be had for the 2-4 spots...
Starter: MarQueis Gray, senior (eligibility as of fall 2012)
Q is the unquestioned leader of the team, and the offense, for the upcoming season. He was far and away the team's most effective and dangerous runner, and that's not likely to change in 2012. Although having someone-or even several someones- step up as a viable option at running back to replace departed senior Duane Bennett is a must for this offense to make some progress. Where Gray needs to show improvement is in the passing game, as he completed only 50.6% of his passes in 2011. Performances like the Michigan State loss, where he completed 19 of 32 passes for 295 yards and 3 TD's, showed the potential is there to be a capable passer, and hopefully another full offseason will help him get there. Q showed last offseason that work ethic won't be an issue, so if the guys around him can put in the same kind of effort, we'll hopefully see the kind of jump in offensive production Jerry Kill's teams usually show from year 1 to year 2. If that happens, Q could be an all-conference quarterback.
Primary Backup: Max Shortell, true sophomore vs. Philip Nelson, true freshman
And here's where things get REALLY interesting...
Last season Shortell was the highly-touted incoming freshman, and despite the fact he was not an early enrollee and only had a month of summer practice to prepare, he ALMOST took the starting job from Q. The Ginger Giant looked promising in spot duty vs USC in the opener, and ended up starting two games while Gray was out with injury. However, the offense struggled under Shortell in those two starts (obviously that wasn't all his fault. Far from it, actually), and once Gray returned healthy, the team improved and Q finished the season undisputed as "The Man."
Shortell will start the spring #2 on the depth chart, and you'd assume that with his primary competition in Parish transferring, he'll have no problem hanging onto the job. But he may not only be in jeopardy of losing the #2 job, but he may also be in danger of losing the status of "future starter." That's because this years highly-touted incoming freshman, Philip Nelson of Mankato West, DID enroll early, and is already on campus and will be at spring practice and ready to compete.
Sure, Shortell will have a leg up having more experience running the offense. At 6'6 he showed the skills of a pocket passer and better-than-you'd-think athleticism for a guy of his size, but for all the good things Max brings to the table, Nelson is potentially better- at all of them. Nelson is a special prospect, and the best QB recruit since MarQueis in 2008. At 6'3 and already 223 pounds he has great size, and a helluva an arm. He was named Minnesota's AP player of the year with 2,784 yards and 35 TD's in 12 games. Oh, and he runs well too, to the tune of 1243 and 20 rushing TD's. While few QB's are in MarQueis' class as an athlete and runner, he's clearly athletic enough to run Jerry Kill's option offense, and be dangerous when he carries the ball. But the exciting part is that he's much further ahead as a passer than where Gray was coming out of high school, as Nelson threw for over 7,564 yards and 94 TD's in his high school career (both second all time in the state of Minnesota).
The question is, how fast will Nelson adjust to the college game, and how well will he pick up the offense? Actually, that's not THE question of the spring for me. The question is what if he's as good as advertised and looks like the second best QB coming out of the spring? No matter how good he looks there's no well Nelson starts as a freshman unless Gray gets hurt. They burned Shortell's redshirt season because he was the clear #2 (and for awhile there, an almost #1) but would they burn Nelson's for the same reason? IF, and right now it's just an if, but IF Nelson beats Shortell for the backup job, it wouldn't be the worst idea to not shirt him, have him get a ton of reps in practice as the #2, and then make him that much more prepared to take over the starting job in 2013.
And of course then we have to wonder what would happen to Shortell in that situation...
It's also likely Shortell has a great spring, and starts the season as the clear #2. In that case, Nelson redshirts, and those two wage battle for the starting job in 2013 with Shortell having the inside track.
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Mitch Leidner, true freshman
Of course, there's more than just Shortell and Nelson vying for position behind Gray, and Nelson isn't even the only true freshman who enrolled early. Leidner was a lightly recruited QB out of Lakeville South who was being recruited as a tight end before lighting up a Gopher passing camp last summer, which earned him an offer from Coach Kill as a quarterback. Leidner had a solid senior season, and is a big kid (6'4 and 220) with a live arm, but he's not anywhere near the athlete Nelson is. Kill clearly saw something in the kid to offer him as a QB, and he's going to be given an opportunity to prove it. I'd say it's almost a given he'll redshirt, and if he can't pass Nelson on the depth chart in the next two seasons, it's likely he's moved to tight end. A situation not unlike to..
Moses Alipate, RS junior
Moses was a highly decorated pocket passing recruit out of Bloomington Jefferson in 2009, but after redshirting in 2009, Alipate couldn't beat out Gray for the backup job in 2010, and last season wasn't even considered one of the top three QB's on the roster. The big fella, and I do mean BIG at 6'4 and at least 270 pounds, isn't suited to run the option offense and frankly I'm surprised he hasn't either switched positions or transferred. That highly decorated high school recruit is still in that rather large frame somewhere, so while it's possible Alipate could slim down and come out guns a blazing in the spring and compete for the backup job, it doesn't seem likely.
Dexter Foreman, RS freshman
Foreman was a late signee last season as a 2-star dual-purpose QB from Texas. A good athlete with a decent arm, he redshirted last year, and we'll see how he looks against everyone else.
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College QBs
This is my biggest worry about the college game. It takes years to learn a system and get comfortable with the adjustments at any level, but in college, it seems like you get 1 year, maybe 2 to actually play and excel.
But because of a weak recruiting class before Gray, he has been given a rare chance to learn on the job and he’ll probably be a better player because of it. So, while Gray has basically locked up the starting QB spot for 2012, the battle 2013 is going to be very interesting.
Both Shortell and Nelson will get looks in practice, and one will probably see some game action, but if Shortell wins the #2 spot as a SO, that could push Nelson back to not even starting until his Sr season in 2015.
The best scenario for 2012 would probably be to have Gray as #1 and Shortell #2. That leaves Nelson #3, giving him time to learn as much as he can, as well as improve in the weightroom. And if Nelson is the star recruit, he’d win the job in 2013, making Shortell the career backup, but with excellent experience if needed.
Whatever happens, it’s nice to feel like the Gophers actually have a future at QB, and it will be exciting to watch what happens.
It would be nice...
If they could keep Nelson on the sideline, giving him a redshirt year. It would be nice to give him a full 18 months of time with the team, weights and college life before he comes out and competes for the starting role. Alipate (if he stays at the U) is a more than serviceable #3, which you hopefully never have to use.
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I would bet money
that if Gray and Shortell were to get injured we would see Nelson burn his redshirt year. I also bet that Alipate moves to TE.
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by GopherNation on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
maybe Foreman
would step into #3, but it won’t be Alipate
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by GopherNation on Jan 24, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Foreman is my dark horse!!!!!
I get a good vibe by that guy. Maybe not at QB, but on the field…
I’d like Nelson redshirted regardless. I see next season as one, unfortunately, where you eat one as a fan and try to make sure whatever they are doing is better positioning the future of the program. I think Nelson redshirting is important for that purpose.
I agree with JD, get Alipate as a “functioning 3rd stringer” if we get 3 deep. I don’t expect to compete much going on 3rd string QB, and wouldn’t want to use up a year of Nelson for it either. Or use a Foreman Alipate combo if our first 2 go down…ha ha ha…that is said in jest. Maybe Foreman (makes me think of House) can play another position.
I’m also intrigued by Leidner…very intrigued. He’s on my radar…in the coming years. He may be a sleeper.
But really, this is kind of a nice problem to have…all these potentially competent QBs and what to do with them. Alipate…tight end man! Are you kidding me? Why is that guy still rotting away on the bench with a baseball hat on and a clipboard? Get that body on the field.
Jeffrick or others...
…how grim is our running back situation? I’m really in the dark on this caste of characters. It concerns me a bit, what I do know. I was pretty disappointed in Kirkwood this season. Maybe a year of hard core conditioning and education will turn him around. Could happen. I feel like he lacked guidance and leadership in his past. Not shocking….
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I think you have good reason to be worried about the RB situation. I hope the JUCO comes and takes over the position. I was not impressed with what I saw last year. RB’s usually rise to the surface quicker than any other position and I did not see anything last year (limited I realize) that would indicate a future B10 RB in the works.
Pretty much agree
At this point we’re hoping either JC transfer James Gillum or true freshman Rodrick Williams Jr can be the guy, because as TG said, I’m not sure we have a B1G caliber runner on the team right now. Well other than Q, of course. Maybe Kirkwood can log some carries and be something along the lines of what Deleon Eskridge was- a straight ahead runner who’s going to get you 3 or 4 yards a carry. Not a big-play guy and not a feature runner, but serviceable. Of course, I thought that last year and he managed all of 63 carries for 243 yards and 3 scores when the Gophers were DYING for someone to help Bennett carry the ball.
David Cobb looked promising in the summer but the coaching staff trusted him to carry the ball 10 times. Total. Devon Wright got one carry. One. Yes, players can improve from year to year, but again as TG said, RB is one of those positions where guys can “get it” pretty early and so far none of these guys have. It’s possible any one of them figures it out for 2012, but the team needed guys to carry the ball in a big way in 2011 and none of them weren’t trusted to so.
So it’s Gillum or Williams Jr or hope one of the three returnees takes a BIG step forward. That’s about where we’re at right now with the running backs.
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I saw him play a few times down here in DFW and he will be a redshirt most likely. He has some skills but I didnt see a him as a B1G back as a freshman. Gillum will most likely be our incoming back that will get carries.
by DallasGopher on Jan 23, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
I’m not sure I’d count out Kirkwood. I think he’s got good vision and toughness, and while he’s not going to set the world on fire with his speed, neither did Duane. If Kirkwood can get a rhythm going, I think he’ll be a top 2 back, or at least a change of pace to Gillum.
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Right
I think the majority of time will go to Kirkwood in spring ball and if he holds his own will be the go to guy in the fall. Gillum will spell him most likely. I think Williams should be a red-shirt, but that all depends on depth. Wright should be our 3rd option at tailback. That will give us 3 different styles of runner to go with on Saturdays.
One advantage I see for Williams though is his ability to catch the ball in the flat and shed DB’s and LB’s and get good YAC. He has soft hands and puts the ball away immediately and makes a turn for the goaline. It was quite impressive for a HS senior. I see professional backs that have trouble with that.
Pass blocking….well thats another story…didnt do much if any in the games I saw.
Interesting is that I hardly saw Ekpe play on the otherside of the ball. He is an early enroll guy…we will see what happens with him.
by DallasGopher on Jan 24, 2012 6:27 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed on not giving up on Kirkwood...
…I really think he lacked discipline off the field and in preparation for the season. The basics of studying football. He may come out and be a pleasant surprise. A la senior Russell a few years back, albeit not as quick.
Re: Kirkwood's production
Wasn’t he also hurt (hamstring) on and off throughout the season? Can’t recall…
Yes,
And that’s where my thoughts on his lack of understanding about big time football. I thought I read he was screwing around on the bike listening to music or reading magazines (I don’t say this in a negative way, just that he admitted it)…and then later realized he should have been reading the playbook. So he admitted he entered the year ill-prepared.
So that sort of led me to believe he just wasn’t taught the right way to do things…and why I tend to believe he may be able to do more than we may think if he’s given the attention of the staff and is educated on how to prepare. I don’t blame him, I really sort of blame the transition (and really, Brewster)…
I am nervous about RB
My gut tells me that Gillum wins the starting job. By most accounts he has more game-breaking ability and Kirkwood will be a nice change of pace back who will run you over.
If Gillum is decent then I don’t think our running situation will be any worse than it was this last year and Gray is going to lead the team in rushing anyway.
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by GopherNation on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Redshirt for Nelson best option
He gets 4 years left, and only two with Shortell on the roster max… In that scenario:
1) Shortell is QB for Jr and Sr years, with Nelson as the backup for rFr and Soph, then he takes over. We’re set at QB through 2016.
2) Nelson wins the job in 2013. Shortell transfers (no worries burning a year since he didn’t already use a redshirt so he’d have two years at another school). We’re still set at starting QB through 2016, although depth takes a hit.
I’m not worried about Parish going to Wisky, isn’t there a Big10 transfer rule that they can transfer but can’t get a scholarship if they transfer inside the conference? He’d be paying for 2-3 years of school on his own dime. If he can afford it, more power to him :) I bet he goes to another conference on scholarship and will his chance at playing time.
He went to Arrowhead
so his parents could probably afford it. It’s the Edina or Minnetonka of Wisconsin.
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Kirkwood
Kirkwood actually finished the season with similar ypc to Bennett, which is a product of our offensive line not getting a push. They both average 3.85 ypc. Kirkwood didn’t seem to get as many carries after losing 2 fumbles in the Purdue game, which pretty much handed the starting job to the senior (Bennett). With another year under his belt, there won’t be a drop-off from Bennett to Kirkwood this year.
If Gillum or Williams suprises us, then we will be better at RB this year. Improvement in our O-line should also lead to slightly better rushing stats this year. I am optimistic that this will be an area of improvement for the Gophers.
I tend to agree that another year is huge for our OL.
The blocking schemes and such, communication, etc will only get better this year. I am still optimistic that Kirkwood will be much improved based on a better OL and being more prepared.
Then, if Gillum is solid, it’s just a bonus.
Nelson guaranteed redshirt?
At least to my ears, this sounds like a brilliant idea. Granted everyone is going to get reps in spring practice, but I hope they give Nelson 18 months before giving him a chance to go for number one. It should be an interesting battle between Shortell and Nelson when 2013 comes around. Nelson is one of those special kids that Kill will more than likely give a redshirt (hopefully he will be able to keep it if we don’t suffer as many injuries as we did last year) just because of his talent level. This would be a decent reason not to put a redshirt on him, but then you run the risk of turning this situation into a huge blunder like Brewster did with Marqueis.

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