Gopher Basketball Has Some Serious Execution Issues
This is going to be a long Big Ten season for Gopher basketball and it is not because of the loss of Trevor Mbakwe. I firmly believe that last season was truly completely when Al Nolen went down and there was no backcourt help because Devoe Joseph decided to transfer. But the problems we are seeing with this season's team has very little to do with the loss of our best player. There are some fundamental issues with this particular team that were cleverly hidden because the Gophers had a fringe All-American on their roster.
While this post will have some poignant critics of the current team that can largely be blamed on coaching, I am not a basher of the current head coach and am comfortable with Tubby right now. I know there is a growing sentiment that this program is stuck in mediocrity and it might soon be time for a coaching change. I am not yet in that company, but I do have some problems with what I am seeing on the floor. This post is going to seem rather contradictory because these are largely coaching issues but I'm not really "against" the coaching staff. So first I'll try to explain my position on the coaching staff before I voice my displeasure about our lack of execution.
I do believe that this is a difficult job. It is so very easy to sit back, point out mistakes and from the comfort of our couches, the water-cooler or blogosphere and then give the seemingly obvious solutions. It is so easy to make a statement like "in year four we should be seeing better results." Sure, but what exactly should be done differently. Vast improvement was made initially and taking that next step has been a major challenge. Tom Crean spent three years with awful Indiana teams before this breakout season where he happened to get a 5-star recruit to help.
It is also very easy to look around and say something like "Look at Coach Mid-Major and how he is having so much more success with fewer resources, why can't we get him?" But let's not forget about the long list of coaches who were successful at lower levels who have failed in a major conference. It isn't because those guys were great coaches one day and either quit trying or forgot everything they knew the next. This job is hard and it gets harder at the higher levels. And the step from mediocrity to very good (or great) might be the biggest hurdle to overcome.
But the reality is that coaches are not stupid, they know their team's weaknesses and work every day to hide those weaknesses and play to their strength. The entire coaching staff pours their lives into fixing mistakes, getting better and taking the program forward year after year. This is a difficult job and it is much more complex than just the simple fixes that we think are so obvious from our living rooms. Despite working on situations and execution it doesn't always mean you will see perfect execution when those situations present themselves.
Tubby does have this program stuck in mediocrity. Partially because of unfortunate circumstances (injuries and Royce White being a bonehead) and partially because of his own mistakes. But I do not necessarily believe that switching coaches is always the right answer to fixing the problem. There is nothing wrong with demanding more, there is nothing wrong with taking the kid gloves off because we no longer should feel lucky to have the infamous Tubby Smith and there is nothing wrong with holding him accountable by not granting him a massive extension just because he asks for it. But firing is not always the right answer. It is never as easy as Coach X was not getting it done so we'll bring in Coach W to take us to another level. For a program like Minnesota you are more likely to revert to consistently being a 9th or 10th place Big Ten team again. So my point, before I move on to my real point, is that this is not an easy job and while we are stuck in mediocrity I still believe there is a greater chance we break out of it (one of these years) with Tubby Smith than there is we take steps forward as a program by hiring a new coach. I probably could have skipped the previous 750 words and just given that one statement.
With all of that said, I am pretty unhappy with what I am seeing on the floor this year.
First of all I would really like somebody to explain to me why Maverick Ahanmisi has had the ball in his hands twice with the game on the line? I realize that at the time he was the point guard on the floor and I also recognize that we don't exactly have that go-to scorer who should be the one with the ball every single time. But we do have guys like Julian Welch who is a capable scorer and a guy like Andre Hollins who is a freshman but is our most explosive player. I would much rather take my chances with either of those guys, who can both play the point guard position, over a guy who is small, not a scorer and has never shown that he can finish with a basket in traffic.
At the end of regulation in the Illinois game, the game was tied after Meyer's Leonard made knocked down a pair of free throws. The ball is inbound to Mav who takes it the length of the floor and his miss sent the game into OT. Then again at the end of regulation in the Iowa game, this time down two points, Mav gets the ball in his hands following two missed free throws. He again takes the ball the full length of the floor and misses a floating, lay-up three feet from the rim that was not close.
I know that point guard is not a strength of the Gophers and Mav has emerged as Tubby's favorite. He has a solid assist rate and his turnovers have at least not been any worse than the other PG candidates. He has proven to Tubby that he is the most trustworthy of the potential points, despite the fact that he offers very little in terms of offensive production or defensive pressure. But if he doesn't recognize that there are 4 or 5 (or 6) perimeter players who stand a better chance of getting to the rim and converting a basket in traffic or getting to the free throw line, then somebody needs to tell him that he should be the 4th or 5th (or 6th) option at end of game situations. If he gets the ball on the inbound or following a rebound then he needs to outlet the ball to someone who can get to the rim and finish. Welch, Rodney, Andre Chip and even Austin should be taking these final shots before Mav. Having it happen once can be forgiven as a mistake, but twice is unacceptable. On a team with a handful of guards who struggle to finish in traffic, he generally has been the most timid around the rim. Personally I'd like to see Andre Hollins with the ball in those situations or an outlet pass up to Rodney and let him get go cause he will get to the rim with authority. I could go on, but you get the point. Anybody but Mav in those situations. I'm OK with Mav starting at the point and while I'm not a huge fan of his I recognize he does some things well. But this is not a strength of his.
Secondly, we still stink at offensive execution and are worse at making adjustments. This is all coaching. To be honest I am fairly comfortable with the execution of our offense. What bothers me most is our inability to execute a set play to get an occasional open three or isolation for someone in the post. And end of clock situations are brutal, far too many times we have seen rushed threes from very deep because we were unable to execute a set play for a relatively open look. These plays should have options so if the defense takes the 1st option away then we have a secondary option. But typically we take the last option which is throw something up that will hopefully hit the rim before the shot clock goes off.
Then if we do happen to get into an offensive rhythm and the defense changes things up we need several minutes to adjust. Maybe it is that we cannot adjust or maybe it is just that we cannot execute a zone offense, that I'm not sure of yet because a team has yet to start the game in a zone (that I can recall). This from Ralph following the Iowa loss,
"The whole game kind of switched when they did that," he said. "It was a different pace to the game."
Sure it was a different pace, but there are ways to attack a zone defense. If I were coaching against the Gophers I would play zone because as I recall every time an opponent employs this crazy defensive tactic we become incapable of scoring.
Lastly, I am absolutely baffled by how poorly this team defends ball screens. To be honest I think our man-to-man defense has been much better this year in regards to getting to shooters and slowing penetration. We are not great at either of these things but we are better than what we saw last season. But we get absolutely killed by ball screens. The Michigan loss was a perfect example of how we actually defended a very good shooting team quite well. Michigan shot just 6-20 from behind the three point line. But then Coach Beilein cheated and he made an offensive adjustment. Michigan started running point guard, Trey Burke off a high ball screen and then let him pick apart the Gopher defense. We had no answer.
Burke capitalized on fewer bodies in the paint because of players not helping off Smotrycz and Hardaway. It created openings down low for passes and plays while also helping him take some midrange jump shots.
"We really wanted to get out on their 3s," Williams said. "But we couldn’t stop Burke from the pick and roll. … That was all him getting to the rack and the free throw line."
As a former coach, the first thing we would teach kids about defending a ball screen is to know where you are on the floor. If you are 2 steps (or more) beyond the three-point line then you always drop under the screen while the guy guarding the screener stays tight to the screen making the ball-handler go a little wider around. This is pretty simple and always the right move when you are 24 feet from the rim. Unfortunately on very high screens we are trying to fight over the top rather than making it easy on ourselves when the offense isn't disciplined enough to set their screens lower.
If the screen is tighter to the line then you have a decision to make. You can choose to go under the screen still, but then you are vulnerable to the ball-handler getting an open three. You can choose to double the ball leaving your defense with three guys to guard four and the screener rolling to the basket. You can switch the screen creating mismatches that are generally not in your favor. Or the defender can try to fight over the top of the screen while the guy defending the screener cuts off the easy line of penetration then quickly getting back to the rolling screener. All of these have their advantages and disadvantages. How we currently defend the ball screen is the guy guarding the ball runs right into the screen and the guy guarding the screener either tries to guard the ball or he stands in no-man's land not guarding either one of the guys. This leads to open jump shots, screeners getting the ball in the lane after he rolls or easy penetration to the rim for the guy with the ball. Maybe we are trying to confuse the offense with too many scoring options. Even during those rare possessions that we defend the screen well and we are able to contain the guy with the ball then the guy guarding the screener often loses his man and doesn't recover in time.
Ball screens are not easy to defend, this is why it is such a widely used offensive weapon in the NBA. But we often do not appear to have players on the same page. There needs to be more pressure on offense and more urgency to recover quickly. I understand it is not an easy thing to defend but we really (REALLY) struggle with this.
All three of these issues are correctable issues but not usually things that will dramatically change in January or February. Maybe it can be made more clear who should have the ball in end of game situations. That is probably a quick fix but that is also the least of our problems. The execution of a zone offense or set-play situations is going to be a struggle for this unit largely because they are lacking a dynamic or go-to scorer. But they can do a better job of working off of each other and perfecting execution. Defensively this ball-screen thing has GOT to be fixed because it is pretty bad and teams will pound us with it until we figure out a way to stop it.
I fear that this is going to be a long season of games where we are competitive but repeatedly come up short because we are unable to execute down the stretch and because we make things too easy on opposing offenses when it matters most. Unfortunately by this point of the season what you see is usually what you are going to get.
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Great post
Although I have to say, I’m not that worried about the defense. You’re right that we struggle defending ball screens, but at the end of the day we are holding teams to low enough scoring to win.
But we need offense. I really thought we would make halftime adjustments against Iowa, because we really have done so all season and been better offensively in the second halves, but this time it didn’t work. They seemed to try to get a guard to the elbow for an open shot, but not very often.
And I couldn’t figure out how Tubby’s team, which usually loves to throw the ball around the perimeter, didn’t once swing the ball against the 2-3 zone, why no one attacked from the elbow, and why Hollins and Rodney refused to drive the baseline when they caught the ball in the corner behind the three low defenders.
Random thoughts on Tubby...
…might not be the right place, but here it goes anyway. And my real take on Tubby is that he’s an average basketball coach. He doesn’t shock the world. He doesn’t draft up masterpiece last second plays or make mind-blowing half time adjsutments to make the Gophers more competitive, on any sort of regular basis. Therefore, he needs to rely on players. And I’m not convinced he’s smart enough or feels it is necessary (over-confident in his coaching ability?) to recruit players who fit his philosophy. For example, his teams don’t show the kind of tenacious hustle I’d expect from Tubby, given his reputation as an old-school coach. He goes after guys with talent, but not necessarily the right personality for his program. RSIII was NEVER going to work in Tubby’s world because he is a pussy! He is a perimeter player, soft. Joseph didn’t like to work his ass off. Some of the other guys, same thing. But these are “personality” things…not things you can just coach. So we need to recruit the right guys for Tubby’s philosophy. Not necessarily the big 4 star guy from Tennessee (not picking that example for Hollins, but just saying, as an example) if he won’t work within our system. Systems win at the college level. The NBA is for superstars. Yes that can be argued 100 times over, and I’m talking in very general terms here, not saying we should pass up blue chips. That is easier said than done. BUT…the entire puzzle needs to fit better. Case in point, RSIII, Joseph, or anybody else who has transferred or had problems. I looked at Iowa two nights ago and keep thinking, “holy shit do they hustle, they are flying all over the floor!”. Do they have the raw basketball talent we do? No. Not at all. But I enjoyed watching them play hard.
But all that being said, this is only Tubby’s 5th year, and we have been competitive every year. Normally I’d come on here raging angry and state that we are at best running in place, but two things: (a) we were at the absolute bottom of the barrel when Tubby took over, and (b) the key to success in Minn hoops is getting Minn guys to stay home, or at least, it’s a big part of it (dating back to McKale, Big Dave, Lynch, etc.). And Tubby has done a good job of it, but there just havent been any decent players in the state since he got there have there? Lets look at the top guys each year he has recruited:
2007 – (Monson’s last class) 4 top 100 players: Cole Aldrich, T Mbakwe, B Hoffarber and Jon Leuer. We got the 4th best player in that group, and also Al Nolen. Let’s cut slack, it’s the first year and guys were pretty much locked up by the time Tubby got in front of them.
2008 – Zero top 100 players: Top 2 players, J Berggren and Jordan Taylor went to Wisconsin. This is a year after we went 3-13 in conference. So they wanted to stay close to home, but play for a winner. We got zero home grown guys. Damn Taylor would have been delicious in maroon and gold.
2009 – 3 top 100 players: T Mbakwe (JC), Royce White and Rodney Williams. Tubby got all of them.
2010 – Zero top 100 players. We didnt sign anyone. Class was so bad that the 9th best player in Minn hoops was Seantrel Henderson.
2011 – 1 top 100 player: Joe Coleman. Tubby got him
2012 – zero top 100 players. Worse class than 2010. Top player in the state is a 2 star, and he signed with creighton.
So, I realize that my point is probably somewhat arguable, but I also realize that Tubby has, in part, struggled because the Minnesota pipeline has been pretty dry lately. There is no pipeline of talent for Tubby to draw off of. Our teams are only as good, really, as the in-state talent that we can bring in…usually. But the record shows that despite a major weakness in recruiting base, he still manages to bring in quality players. Since he has been here, he’s gotten guys from Memphis, Georgia, Canada, California, and we just grabbed a kid out of Hargrave Academy in Texas. So, I guess my point is, he is actually doing more with very little than any previous coach (Im not counting Clem because he got guys in with shady methods, and brought in alot of shady characters). Imagine what he would have done with Kris Humprhies or Rick Rickert or Pryzbilla? Talk about a waste of a true glut of in-state talent!
But the argument against this is that we brought in Tubby as a national name, and probably expected him not to have to rely as much on Minnesota guys….so I can see that counter-argument.
Again, all this being said….the guy is average. I don’t care about his national championships…in college basketball years, those are ancient history like Gopher Rose Bowls…so looking at his body of work here, what he’s had to work with, his overall recruiting, etc….he’s average. Just plain old average…which is far superior to what we had here before he came, but far inferior to what we expected getting a “Tubby Smith” type of hire. Right?
I think people expected more from RSIII
As a recruit. I suspect something closer to his dad and less dead-fish like was anticipated.
As for Joseph, I heard certain other rumors about his off-court conduct that I will not share as I know nothing about their truthfulness. Let’s just say the rumor wasn’t about work ethic, although I guess that sort of things isn’t really associated with working.
Also, things would look a whole lot different with Royce White around.
What he needs
is to land one of these three-star guys who turns into a great player. Jordan Taylor, Talor Battle, even this Trey Burke kid. So far his best recruits have fizzled and his mediocre recruits have been mediocre.
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One could argue
That Blake was a guy who turned into a much better than projected player, at least when playing the 2.
But yeah, White, Rodney, Ralph and now Trevor haven’t lived up to expectations (for various reasons, some beyond their control).
I mean more
he was very good and a great fit on his teams. But he couldn’t carry the load, he wasn’t a go-to scorer in the traditional sense of the term.
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Well said...
…his best recruits have fizzled and his mediocre recruits have remained exactly mediocre. No “out of nowhere surprises” on the upside.
I don't really think we can expect
Too many out of nowhere guys. But it’s not unreasonable to expect the best recruits to play up to expectations.
I have reached the point with Tubby
that I reached with Mason. I am ready to take our chances with a new coach. Pay him a million a year, put the other million into a new practice facility (Tubby makes 2 million a year I believe). The writing is on the wall——Tubby is a nice guy but I don’t see anything other than the same old thing in the future. I am sure you will throw Brewster right back at me, but that is the chance you take.
that is the tipping point
I currently still believe that our chances of getting better are still better with Tubby. Too easy for a program like Minnesota to get a guy who takes us backward and then fights like crazy to get us back to the current level of mediocrity.
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See: Iowa under Todd Lickliter
They made what on paper was a great mid-major hire. And for that the program took steps backward.
The thing with Mason was
that we plateaued. We got to where Mason could bring us and needed to make a change if we wanted more. (That and he annoyed people with his smugness).
I don’t feel that way about Tubby. He can give us more, but he has had such an unfathomable string of bad luck (White’s legal issues, Mbakwe’s legal issue and knee, Joseph quitting, Paul Carter’s sister’s illness, the struggles of Rodney and Ralph, etc.).
All that means it feels like a break or two and we’ll be on our way.
And, of course, when we tried it with Mason we got Brewster, as you mentioned.
I agree with this
I don’t think anyone could argue any of those things were the result of coaching. And yet think about how different Tubby’s tenure would have been without even a few of those things.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
I will add
We reached where any coach could get us with the dome as our home field. Unfortunate or I believe mason may still be coaching. Okay, so he would have left this year for the OSU job…ha ha ha.
I agree 100% with scoggins’ article yesterday. It was perfect. I’m not calling for tubbys head, but I’m not pushing for a contract extension and he needs to do something next year or I just don’t think he can. That will be 6 or 7 years! Years!
I also don’t want the Brewster joke to keep us from making necessary moves. Sure, we fucked up, but we can’t refuse to bet on a bit of a flier ever again because of it.
by jimipig on Jan 7, 2012 10:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
the Brewster issue isn't that he was a flier
For me anyway, the issue is that the AD, Mr Maturi should not have let Mason go if the best he could do to replace him was an NFL position coach who had never been even a coordinator on any level. It’s the AD’s job to know what his options are or find out before acting. Instead, he leaped first and looked for the parachute after. Amateur hour.
I also don’t think the dome held Mason back all that much. It that’s a separate issue.
by amiller92 on Jan 7, 2012 11:36 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Agree on AD's job...
…he royally fucked that up start to finish. Fired Mason on an overreaction to a horrific, monumental melt-down loss (but come on…in a fucking bowl game…who gives a shit?). Totally amateur hour. Bush league. He was just waiting to fire Mason…and that bowl game gave him the final excuse. Then he got deer in headlights…the program was in “adequate” shape at that point too…less than good, but still adequate. But one issue I have is the guys who vetted Brewster…Shottenheimer, Mack Brown, etc. They swore by this joker. They, I fear, were the real determining factor in Maturi hiring the guy. He got lazy, took the short cut by getting excited in an interview, then doing a simple reference check that came out great. It’s the only explanation. There was never a single bit of on-field proof he could coach. Fuck them. Fuck them to hell I say. Fuck Brown/Shottenheimer as much as Maturi…they sold us rotten horse shit. Maturi bought it like an idiot. But again, to his defense, did he think those guys would sell him a piece of rotten horse shit? I can see why he was comfortable with Brewster when I look at it from that angle.
You could never POSSIBLY convince me that the dome didn’t hold Mason back…or wouldn’t hold ANY coach back. Absolutely, 100% it HAD to have hurt us. Are you serious?
I don't talk to recruits
So I don’t know. I’d have to hear what they said, but I suspect some of them dont’ see it as a bad thing to be playing in an NFL stadium.
We need an offensive coordinator!
The lack of adjustment to a mundane 2-3 zone against Iowa was hideous. Part is having the shooters, but I don’t care what you have to do, find a way to break apart the zone. Play Rodney at center if you have to…
That was horrible.
It was bad
They adjusted at the half, but it just didn’t work at all.
Also, we need a big man coach. Our big guys don’t seem to improve on their post moves much, and they NEVER make a move to the baseline side.
Maybe that’s a philosophical thing I don’t understand. Maybe the coaches have reasons why they don’t like guys going to the baseline from the block. But I have no idea what those reasons would be.
For a guy like Mbakwe to be lacking a basic drop stop from his post game just makes no sense at all to me. He, Elliot and Mo should be dreaming about a drop step, a (protected) power dribble and a kiss off the glass from all the tape of Randy Carter they’ve been instructed to watch.
Randy...
You nailed it. He had that move down.
…I have hope for Mo yet.
by InflectionPoint on Jan 6, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
carter was almost unstoppable
In my childhood memory anyway, he he got the ball in low post position with his man on his back.
But out guys never do it. They always make their post move to the lane.
Makes me wanna run out during warm ups and spend two minutes with Mo. It’s not hard to learn.
by amiller92 on Jan 7, 2012 11:39 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree that getting rid of Tubby isn't the answer
The fact of the matter is there is more talent in this program right now than there has been in 15 years. RSIII (who i am more and more convinced doesn’t really like basketball), Rodney, Andre, Joe, Austin, Trevor, Mo, Julian and even to some extent Oto are all players that would have overlooked the U of M had Tubby not been here. And this doen’t take into consideration that White, Joseph, and Cobbs all committed and wamted to play for the U.
The problem, as i see it, is that the program has tripped over its own shoelaces as soon as it starts running. The Trevor and Royce situation, Royce getting kicked out of school, the Jimmy WIlliams affair, Nolen getting suspended for grades, Devoe leaving a week before Al gets hurt, Blake having to move to PG out of necessity, Trevor’s injury coupled with Walker’s slow recovery, and even the utter lack of interest by the University in a new practice facility. To more established programs in the Big Ten (Mich State, OSU, Purdue, Wisconsin, Michiagan) these issues are small setbacks, to a program like the U they are crippling.
I’m not letting Tubby totally off the hook here. He hasn’t been perfect and we should expect more from him, but the man hasn’t had a thing go right for him yet and we are still reasonably competitive. I just hope that at some point he can show us what he can do without all these problems.
by the way
if memory serves I think Mav was supposed to hand off to Julian on the last play, but for some reason he didn’t.
I disagree
yes it was intended to go to Julian. But you don’t think every team tries to take away the opponent’s best player in end of game situations? You don’t think Mav could have passed the ball up the floor to Andre or Rodney?
A bit of pressure on Julian should not mean we are unable to get the ball in the hands of a more capable scorer. Mav really struggles to finish in the lane at any point in the game, much less as time is expiring.
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by GopherNation on Jan 10, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I only saw it once
Live and in person, but I thought the play was busted and he didn’t have a chance to get it to Welch like he was supposed to.
I don’t know what other options he had, but he actually did get a pretty good look. And was fouled.
But you’re absolutely right that he struggles to finish in the lane at any point in the game. Basically, the way it developed left us relying on the possibility of getting bailed out by a whistle, which is not good.
i agree having watched it...
…I didn’t think he really had any other options. He may have been fouled, but it wasn’t so clear that the ref had to call it in that situation….
Illinois with a big win over OSU last night….any given night in this down-trodden league….

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