On this Day of Love, I'd Like to Ask One Question?
by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2012 10:59 AM CST
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PrintIt is a simple question and I'm sure you know the answer to it.
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We hate Iowa, of course.
This is more than just an opportunity to take a cheap shot at Iowa. Because as I was getting some material ready for the Gophers vs. Ohio State game today I realized how much different our basketball season would be looking had we not been swept by Iowa. So to be honest, this episode of hate is really a compliment to the gritty Hawkeye basketball team.
But with all due respect to Fran McCaffery and his Hawkeye squad, there is just no way we should have lost twice to one of the worst teams in the conference. It is less about the sheer fact that we lost but we were out-played, out-coached and out-hustled and it was embarrassing. It adds to the hate.
The simple fact is if the Gophers were currently sitting at 19-6 (7-5) right now, we would be a lock for the NCAA Tournament. I believe that the Gophers have played very well and overachieved in the wake of Mbakwe's injury with the exception of two games. Iowa at home and Iowa on the road. Watching the Gophers be unable to get a decent shot in the last few minutes while Iowa would execute an offensive set to get lay-ups and dunks when it mattered most was infuriating.
Hats off to Iowa for beating the Gophers twice. We didn't lose because we were looking past, we lost because we were beaten. At least we have this (though I might be willing to trade it for two more basketball wins...not really)
I hate Iowa, but I LOVE Floyd.
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I hate Wisconsin too
And for today, Ohio State.
Out coached and out hustled are ...
Pretty much one and the same. Preparation and motivation are a big part of coaching.
I don't agree with that
I played and was considered one that hustled. I was never motivated to do so by a coach. Some guys have it some guys don’t. You can yell at kids and force it for a short period of time, but that is not all coaching. Motivation does not necessarily equal hustle.
Getting out-coached because the other coach calls or draws up plays that are perfectly executed while our offense can’t get an open (or even contested) shot is not the same thing as the other team playing harder.
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by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
"I was never motivated to do so by a coach."
Gotta link for that opinion?
OK, just kidding.
funny
but technically it isn’t really an opinion if it is something that happened to me is it?
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by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Technically
I think it is an opinion because it is almost (technically) impossible for “never” to be true. Maybe the rule but not the case.
This was my experience as well.
Not the motivation thing, my college coach got me motivated during some down times. But I played with guys in HS and college who just were not coachable. Extremely talented, but not very willing to listen and would go back to their way of doing things (both in terms of hustle and decision making) the second things got tough.
Today is really a Hallmark holiday, but I'll play anyway...
I don’t know if I really hate anyone out there, but, I definitely do NOT ever root for anyone that’s not wearing the Maroon and Gold… (I might root against someone else, but NEVER for anyone else…) I digress…
In order of distaste…
1.) Wisconsin (want that Axe back, bad…)
2.) Iowa (beautiful thing to have Floyd, hehehe!)
3.) Ohio State (would love for Kill and crew to lay it on the Bucks, even just once)
4.) ANYTHING SEC…
5.) Illinois (just because)
6.) Michigan (Jug would be nice to get back, someday…)
7.) Northwestern (they just seem to be an Achille’s heel for us)
8.) Purdue (see Northwestern)
9.) Penn State (Sandusky needs to rot in Hell)
10.) anyone else playing the Gophers…
Have a Happy Day!
When Kill wins the axe back
I hope he runs up the score on that douchebag Bielema.
Man, I can’t stand that guy.
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." Ohio State Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Feb 14, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
no, I'm not done with it yet
:)
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by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I have a lot of hate to go around....
1. “whoa is me” gopher fans who wrote off Jerry Kill because they were uneducated and never heard of him. Two clicks of a mouse would have at least bought him “let’s give it a shot, we could have done worse”. Instead, the blogs and message boards lit up with hatred for the guy. Some of the shit I read made me sick. Yes, I was a Kill supporter for an interview, but still…it was pretty disgusting. Also in this mix is the media who chooses to continue to put negative spins on all things Gopher football. The kind of guys who choose to print “yeah, Kill kept guys in state, but what else can he do outside of that? That’s not enough”. vs. “Kill managed to keep the best in state! We are on our way!”. Fuck pretty much anything negative about Gopher football. It’s time to turn the page on the dark ages of this program. Gotta start someplace. I’ve chosen to start with the hiring of Jerry Kill.
2. Wisconsin. That flea infested shit hole of a state is good for two things. Decent Golf in the Kohler and Lake Geneva areas, and cranberries. The rest of the state can rot in hell, and I’m pretty sure it already is doing so.
3. Illinois. I blame Illinois for many things…among them Brewster. But mainly, their fans are douchebags who love basketball, and occasionally dabble with football if playing in January…which they DO at a much more frequent clip than the Gophers. This infuriates me.
4. Sentreal Henderson/Michael Floyd. These two guys can go fuck themselves for not having the balls to do what this year’s crop of guys did. Take personal responsibility for bringing your home grown state school back to football prominence in the Big 10!!! Okay, so they had no reason to believe the staff at the time was able to help them do it…but still….they are cowards. If Floyd was anybody else, he would have been kicked off the football team for multiple DUIs. And Henderson is coming to realize Karma is a total bitch and will probably never be the football player everybody thought he’d be.
5. RSIII. Sorry. As a 6 foot white guy, I see a guy with those genes…those beautiful genetics of a nice shooter’s touch and somewhat adequate feet and it infuriates me that he can’t demand the absolute most of himself. Not sure who failed him in his life…his dad, his coaches, whomever…not demanding that he fight harder. But he is a distant 4th….I don’t hate him. Ishould clarify. I’m just as upset with him as I was at Trevor Winter. Though I think RSIII’s got more natural ability. Trevor Winter had the best big man body I’ve seen in person. Solid. Putridly weak though.
6. Myself. At times, I shoot from the hip with little more than gut feel to go on. I misstate my facts like a bad Fox News show. I’m overly critical of the basketball team only because I’m just tired of them not reaching a higher level with consistency. But I’m a good guy. I do people right. I donate to charity. I donate to the U. I just come across as a total ass hole at times in written word. At my core, I’m so fucking intense about Gopher sports that I watch most of them while standing 4 feet in front of my television while my wife tells me to sit down and stop letting the games stress me out so badly.
Did I even answer the question? Oh, and I guess fuck Iowa too….though I’m more respectful of the way they punched us in the face this year by playing harder than us…and they will be pretty much responsible for us not making the tournament, all by themselves…..so Iowa wins that one.
Don't be too hard on yourself
Your passion makes for fun reading/arguing.
But come on...
…mistaking the Cal game with the USC game was an all time low for me. I felt shame.
jimi
where to you golf in Lk Geneva area?
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by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Agree.....
Very funny Mr. jimipig……
On Wisconsin golf….did you see the US Women’s Open is at Blackwolf Run in July?
by rangerrodent on Feb 14, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Jimipig
First, let’s not get all political again. Thanks ;)
Second, I don’t have a problem with negativity as long as it’s justified. Being realistic often means having some degree of negativity. I, for instance, don’t think Minnesota will get to a bowl game this year. That’s negative, isn’t it? Yet I am a big supporter of Jerry Kill and believe that will eventually turn Minnesota into something at least as good as NIU. So when you get all upset about anything negative about Gopher football and say it’s time to turn the page on the dark ages, you first need to realize that Minnesota is what it is: the Gophers aren’t very good and haven’t been in decades. Can Kill turn the program around? Yes, if he’s given time. Can he eventually make it as good as Wisconsin or Iowa? It’s certainly possible. But not everybody has the same confidence as you do, so take it easy on them.
As for players like Michael Floyd, I’m kind of torn. On one hand, my realistic side says that not everybody wants to stay home, and you can’t fault a kid for wanting to go to Notre Dame. On the other, I do believe that Brewster could have done more to keep Floyd home (the player, and I guess the trophy too). But you can’t require that all the best players stay in-state. Sometimes it just doesn’t happen.
That said, I’m very impressed that Kill was able to keep at least some of the state’s top guys. Minnesota isn’t exactly a factory for blue-chips, but it’s a good starting point.
by Meager Reader on Feb 14, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
me too.
it might be my favorite course anywhere (admittedly I haven’t been very many places outside of MN/WI)
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by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
I have been fortunate to play some god ones (mostly just lucky, in the right place at the right time)….in December I played the TPC Scottsdale, I have played Medinah down here, Cog Hill Dubsdread, Harborside (I love that course too), and last summer I played East Lake down in Atlanta. But few if any offer me what the Trevino, Palmer and Player courses do up in Geneva National. The land they built those on is amazing. The natural curvature of the fairways and greens. The thick trees. My dad was a member there back in the ’90’s and 2000’s. So I played there a ton. When I close my eyes and dream of being a member at a nice golf club, that’s the one I envision. I need to save a lot more money!
I want to head up to Kohler but can’t justify the $350 or $400/round it costs (with caddy). I’ve had buddies play there and show me pictures. Looks sweet.
I played a couple decent courses in Minnesota. The Wilds I think? And let’s not forget Les bolstad or whatever it’s called. I remember playing there for $12 back in 1994, 1995, 1996. With a student ID of course….
I had a chance to do Whistling Straits when my wife’s uncle was a ranger there but never got up there. I’ve done Geneva National only a few times, my wife’s family lives 5 min from the course, and I just love it.
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by GopherNation on Feb 14, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
If you haven't played The Bull up in Sheboygan Falls I'd say give it a look.
I’ve never paid more than $50 for a round there. There are lots of ways to get discounted rounds (full rate is $135) and for a Jack course that is in the current Top 100 that’s a steal. It’s not my fave course, but it is challenging and can be a fun one.
On my list!
Definitely want to get up to play the Bull.
So much Iowa hatred... delightful!
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